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Returns of Old Characters

Discussion in 'Pokémon General' started by Arc1Dragon, Jan 21, 2017.

  1. Arc1Dragon

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    Who do you want to return in the Pokémon Sun and Moon anime? I personally think that Serena should return as a main character.
     
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    I hope Serena doesn't return, and this is why: You know how in Walt Disney's cartoons, the female lead is mostly weak, sometimes stupid or disabled, until the main male, love interest, lead comes and they fall in love...and all that gross BS? (yeah, I'm saying it...DISNEY IS ALSO SEXIST). That's the feel I got from watching XY and that scourge known as Serena. She was weak, kind of dumb and clumsy.

    But she was stalking Ash...because of a supposed crush. She was a stronger Trainer...only when she was traveling with Ash, it seemed. I know, Kalos is France, and most Disney movies take place in Europe...funny coincidence, right...? No. Thank Arceus that Ash is so freaking oblivious and dense! (Clemont, Bonnie...NOT HELPING). This is a bit similar to one Negaishipping fanfic that I've read...so glad it's never been continued...Iris seemed so unbearably like what I've described above...

    Then the Pokémon Performances...the Master Class...Princess Keys...and the 'Kalos Queen'. Okay, it's cool that the girls have something to do. Hold on...why is Astrid the only girl in the Kalos League? [turns to anime writers, grabs Misty's hammer from the first season...and bashes them on the head] Why aren't more? And...the Performances...were so damn gender stereotypical. Cooking, dressing up, being cute... ONLY ONE TIME DO THEY EVER BATTLE! AND IT'S A TAG BATTLE WHERE THEY'RE PAIRED UP WITH A MALE CHARACTER! WTF!!!???

    It's like they're basically saying...boys do Pokémon Battles...while girls do Pokémon Showcases. It's just like how it used to be...boys play with trucks or dinosaurs...while girls play with dolls, have to wear bows and makeup and dresses. It's so damn sexist, and it's why I HATE XY! I even showed in my Pokémon fanfic, Together Forever, that the anime writers made Serena so weak, that she wouldn't even be able to handle Iris saying, in a casual/joking tone, "What a kid!" AND FANS...ESPECIALLY AMOURSHIPPERS ACCEPT THIS! WHY THE HELL IS IT LIKE THIS!? HOW CAN MODERN SOCIETY BE SO DARN PRIMITIVE AND RACIST AND SEXIST AND ALL THAT CRAP!!!!!?????

    They XY writers basically made the girls in Kalos sex objects. I can't believe it. WHY MUST POPULAR MEDIA SHOW THAT THIS IS EVEN ACCEPTABLE!!!!!????? WHAT HAS GONE WRONG WITH MODERN SOCIETY!!!!!????

    The way we fix this is...I'm just not sure...any ideas? Oh yeah, just look under the next sub-section.

    Misogyny - this is where males feel that they are superior to females, and many societies (that I completely hate) do this. I think it's why people hate Iris or Misty...but love Serena. It's a worse form of sexism. The fans are basically saying that they don't like how Iris or Misty are criticizing Ash, because they're girls and Ash is a boy. They're basically saying "no, shut up....guys are always right." Let me tell you...Ash is a bumbling idiot who needs to be put in his place (a lot of the time). But, when they see Serena's weakness and submissiveness, they say "now, there's a chick who knows how to act around a guy." (Giratina, Dinner Time!).

    How do we fix this? No tolerance for that crap. Show people, that it's not right to accept or make this kind of crap anymore.


    CHARACTERS I WOULD LOVE TO SEE RETURN: Iris, Brock, Dawn, Cilan, Clemont, Bonnie, Sawyer, Alain, Mairin, Tierno, Trevor, Georgia, Burgundy, Tracey
     
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    @[member="MCOury1998"] wow. You just summed up why I could never find it in me to like AmourShipping or Serena. I gave up on the anime as soon as the showcase thing started, because they're just a lamer version of contests. Why did they not just bring back contests?

    On topic though. I wouldn't mind the return of Brock and Misty, maybe Tracey. Tracey is such an underappreciated character.
     
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    Colress. He's one of my favourites tbh and I'd be very happy to see him make a comeback.
     
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    Agree with you totally! :)

    YES!!! Colress was pretty cool...it'd be interesting if the give him a role in close relations to Aether in the anime, if they were to return him. ;)
     
  6. bigb360

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    The original trio has been apart way too long. Brock and Misty.

    Here's hoping they at least are in the new movie, which looks to be a retelling of the first episode.
     
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    I'm surprised he wasn't in the games! He certainly looks the part.
     
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    I remember there was a thought that Colress was Lusamine's husband/Lillie and Gladion's father at one point. I was a supporter of that theory...until it got debunked by the revelation of Pr. Mohn/Mohn of the Pokepelago.
     
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    He certainly looks like he could be a member of their family, yeah. Maybe he's a distant cousin. :P
     
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    I actually really enjoy Serena and thought she was breath of fresh air.
    I actually don't hope for Misty's return, she had her limelight and has been a great character but that was in the past. I also think May has had too many cameos, though may just be the way I remember it. I am a huge Dawn fan but I doubt she will return at this rate. I am not really in Iris fan, I liked her in the game but not as much in the anime, just my opinion, though, so I don't really hope for her. I actually would like to see Alexa again, she traveled with Ash for a short while, she was very likable.
     
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    If you're talking about sun and moon he was in the game. He gives you the TM for flame charge, the genesect drives in the post game, and I heard he is also at the Battle Tree





    Also here's some reasons why Serena should return

    1. The final scene in the last Pokémon XYZ episode
    2. One of the best of Ash's companions
    3. Amourshipping
    4. One of Ash's companions from the previous season always comes back in at least one episode.
    5. Serena has a canonical crush on Ash. Misty, May, Dawn, and Iris don't. (Only other person to have one was Anabel from the Battle Frontier.)
    6. And more! The list goes on.
     
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    A lot of us older fans want her to, though. It's been 10 years.

    Honestly, it'd have been better for the anime to either age Ash up, or end his journey with Johto and switch out protagonists for every game generation. That way we wouldn't have a stagnant character for 20 years and could bring him back periodically as a special guest. And frankly, we'd have avoided all these shipping wars that tear the community apart.

    But I respect your opinion.
     
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    I am an older fan, I was just never the biggest misty fan again. Just odd opinion
     
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    He did age in Sun and Moon. He's now Eleven
     
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    I really wouldn't want many human characters to show up, for it may make things even weirder with how he goes to school know. If anything, I would like to see some of Ash's old Pokémon again. Maybe one of his Tarous.
     
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    Oh boy, haha.

    20 years = 1 year in Pokémon anime.
     
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    Personally, I just want any female companion rather then Serena to show up. Like some others have said, I think Serena is boring and bland, and her crush on Ash isn't enough to make her comeback worthwhile. I would honestly like to see Dawn make an appearance, and maybe Brock as well! I'd like to see how Brock would be doing in being a Pokémon Doctor.

    Also for other characters, maybe some Champions? I'd love to see "the region's toughest Trainers" fall victem to the amazing expressions in S/M! also idk maybe a champion who hasn't shown up in ANYTHING anime related since like 2008?
     
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    Anyone BUT Serena.

    I agree with @[member="WolfeyStar"] , let Brock return! Let's see how he's doing as a doctor.

    And although I never connected with her, I'd like to see Misty of Gary come back. It's only fitting for the 20th anniversary.
     
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    You know, I never thought about it that way. Anyways, I wonder if the 20th movie is a 'redo' of season 1 just for the 20th anniversary...or are future movies going to be redos until we catch up to whatever generation it is currently?
     
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    You guys want to know who I think should return? The Salon madin Anabel! And I'm not saying thus because of the fact that I support Abilityshipping but, thats one reason, Ash and Anabel acted so much alike that they could have been a cute couple, but as stated before, Pokémon as created a shipping war that has been going off since I was born, I'm serious, I rememvber watching the first episode when I was at a young age, and the shipping wars have been for pairing Ash with almost every female character in the anime AND the games here is a list of shippings that exsist, feel free to add to it as however you cghoses.

    Ash X Misty Pokeshipping
    Ash X May Advancedshipping
    Ash X Anabel Abilityshipping
    Ash X Latias Altoshipping
    Ash X Bianca(5th movie) Mareshipping
    Ash X Dawn Pearlshipping
    Ash X Iris Nagaishipping
    Ash X Serena Amourshipping
    Ash X Pikachu Pikashipping (This is how far the fanfic writers have pushed things, but I'm just as bad for knowing this. So continue to loist the ships because I KNOW that I have forgotten some.

    But anyways Anabel should return because I could see her being a more influential character for Ash to have travel with. Why? She's an independent girl who could handle herself just fine but is not Misty whgo would hit you in the head of a mallet if angered, shes kindhearted, and by far could be the only one who can relate to Ash more then any other character in the anime. Ash grew up without his father who may or may not be Giovanni depending on the anime, and Anabel grew up without any parents so, they can relate a lot actually, and her empathy powers, that would help out alot when they need it, by the way, anyone knows if there are any references Pokémon rangers in the anime anymore? Or is that all done?
    If anyone has a Nagaishipping story let me know, 'cus I want to know where I stand on this particular pairing. But by my own opinion the One True Pairing has to be Ash and Anabel. But I could be wrong, that is what all this is about right? The Pokempon company won't really pair Ash up with anyone,its just used to troll fans like us. Although I vould be wrong, but eh (Shrugs shoulders) maybe the real shipping will happen next time, and f Ash is finally turning eleven is sun and moon, I will neex two things

    First one, an interdimensional telaportation device, then I will need something to power it up, then I am going to send myself into the machine and then I will find Xerneas and demand that I be granted immortality. So suck on that Ash! Ha ha.

    And lastly, I will go to Pallet Town and give Ash a nucklesandwich. Not to aggressive, but just enoyugh.
     
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