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Abortion.

Discussion in 'The Lounge' started by A Wild Morgan Freeman, Mar 23, 2015.

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  1. A Wild Morgan Freeman

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    Well, this is another topic people tend to debate about. Abortion. For the one person reading this that does not know, Abortion is the act of killing off an unborn child. So, do you think abortion should be legal or allowed? Or is it inhumane?
     
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  2. Cobalt

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    I personally think abortion is fine. I really do not understand what is wrong with it. If you're not ready to have a child, you're not ready. Whether you thought you were and went back on it, you weren't careful enough, or you were even raped, (despite arguments that people with vaginas can "shut that whole thing down") if you're not ready, you're not ready.

    Think about it this way. That kid could either stay with their unprepared parent(s), and probably live a terrible life because of their unpreparedness, not being properly taken care of, etc., or go into foster care/adoption, and never know their real parents, and possibly still live a bad life, as foster care isn't exactly ideal.

    My view is, it's better to save the child the suffering of someone who is careless or unprepared as a parent, rather than let it live and wish it ended up dead.
     
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  3. Garudarocks

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    I think it is murder. I mean, it is killing a human being without a good enough cause. People can say that the baby isn't alive yet, so it isn't human, but what constitutes being alive. Its heart starts beating pretty early on and that's often considered a sign of life.

    I believe that adoption would be the better option. Some sort of foster care, at least. I know it isn't the same as staying with your parents, and that there is that unknown of if you'll switch parents or not, but it's still better than killing them imo.

    However, there are situations where I am OK with it. Where either the mother will more than likely die from the childbirth or if the mother has twins and for some reason they have to kill one in order for the other to live.
     
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  4. Cay

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    I think it should be allowed. People make mistakes, and they shouldn't be punished their whole lives for them. I know a few people who have needed abortions and are quite young, and god knows what would have happened if they kept the child. I feel like everyone has the freedom of choice, and sometimes people are just too young to have a child. Lives can be razed by having children at a young age, and I don't want people to risk that if they're not prepared. I don't think someone victim of rape should have to raise a being as a reminder of what was done every day.
     
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    Hmm. Well, on one hand I think every child deserves a chance to live, however I think abortion should be a choice that everyone can have. I don't think that it is always the best choice, but other people shouldn't decide how people live their life, or what they do with their bodies.
     
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    Women should have that choice of being able to have an abortion or not. Its like you have to consider all of the facts that is going on between a women from when she is having intercourse to when the zygote is forming into a fetus and so on to a baby form.

    I believe a woman has a right to abort the forming baby that is a zygote. In those few weeks there is no heartbeat and no life form really developing in that time so there is no harm, no foul. But anything past that is murder of a developing child.

    I could honestly go on for hours with my opinions on this subject, but to be simple: Abortion is a choice for woman, its not murder if the child is in the first stages of development, and thou shall not judge the woman if she goes through with this.
     
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  7. YouHoney

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    Uuuum first off its not "Killing off an unborn child". Its "Canceling pregnancy throungh medical means".

    I think abortion is totally okay, but i also think, that abortion should not be the first or easiest option.

    The reason abortion must be made in cource of the first seven weeks, is that the embryo hasn't developed into certain state. It technically is not cosidered "living", due of the lack of any higher body functions such as heart beat, brainwaves and so on.

    This fact is more than enough for me to accept adortion. Of cource i cant quite relate due of me being a man.

    But i do think, that if you are ready to have sex and dont want to be a parent yet, you must handle protection, regardless if you are girl or a guy. And if you still manage to... well strat the babymaking process, there are those pills that the girl must take before 48 hours have passed for the said fertalization. Downside to these pills are, that they cause hormones in so large quantities (to stop the egg from developing), that it might cause suicidal thoughts. These pills can be used Only once a year.

    At the end of the day, the girl decides if she will do an abortion or not, but that still means that everyone should take a look at abortion rationally. "Am i ready to become a parent?" "Am i ready to take care of my child?" "Am i mature enough?"

    Please have safe sex and consider abortion as an option, but not an easy one.
     
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    Abortion is a very non-linear issue when it comes to my personal opinion. I think it ought to be allowed 10 weeks or prior (before the infant develops a heartbeat or any sense of reality). ANy time period after this would be defined as murder. The only exception to this rule would be: If the woman's health were to be in serious jeopardy; only then she would make the ultimate decision if she or the baby goes. In cases of rape, that should ALWAYS be reported to the authorities and medical unit(s) immediately so they could dispose of the fetus right then and there, if the woman so chooses. If you don't do this, and the 10 week mark has passed, it is now your responsibility to give birth and nurture that child.
     
  9. Azazel

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    IMO Men shouldn't even have a say in women's health. A woman's body is her own and so are her choices. Do people think women just nonchalantly go in and get abortions all the time? How much do you have to disrespect women to think that?

    Every woman willing, every child wanted, that's my opinion.
    A fetus isn't even a person anyway, the mother however? she is, and she should be allowed to make her choices.
     
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    Abortion is banned in my country, but I don't think it should be. I think it should be completely legal in my country where we have the problem of people having too many children. Poverty is a huge issue here and a huge portion of the population is uneducated. These people end up having up to 10 children or something, and they aren't even able to support all of them. I don't want to think that abortion should be the main solution for this problem, but I do think it can help lessen the problem. After all, we all make mistakes. I don't think that a person as young as 15 years old should have to go through with the pregnancy when she makes that sort of mistake. I also don't think that someone who was raped, for example, should have to go through with the pregnancy either because that's not even her fault.
    (Unrelated to the topic, but a better solution would be to provide contraceptives or even simple family planning to the people, but the Catholic church is against it - so, no. Yep, that's how powerful the church is in this country.)

    So yeah, I think women should have abortion is an option. If the woman wants the baby then so be it. If she doesn't think she's ready then let her go through abortion.
     
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    I think abortions shouldn't be necessary, but unfortunately, they sometimes are. My problem isn't with the abortion itself, but rather the need for it. If you're not 100% ready to raise a child, don't take the risk. In my opinion, the only valid reason to need an abortion is if you were forced or heavily pressured into having sex.
     
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    Oh boy, oh boy.... So i think that abortion is okay, but not as a "protection". If the child was not meaningful (i.e. accident or unwanted sex) or you can't take care of it (you can also give it away, in case you make the decission to have a childbirth). Also it is not okay if someone forces you to do an abortion, it's in most of the situations it the woman's decission to make abortion or not to do one. (Unless childbirth could damage your healthy or even kill you, then in some/most cases [at least in Finland] doctors can make an abortion without the actual woman's premission).
    I don't think in the end that i would be killing, more like canceling the "forming" of the child. Abortion should be an opportunity for everyone, but it's (in most cases) the persons decission if she makes one or not. IN MY OPINNION church or religions should not restrict the decissions of taking an abortion or the choice of using protection.
     
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    So the father of the fetus shouldn't have a say?
     
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    At least in Finland law for example, it is said that the pregnant mother is the one how decides, if the child is going to be aborted or not. This doesn't still mean that it shall not be discussed. Any reasonable couple would talk about it together, but the last word and choice shall be the mothers.

    @[member="Hakuryuu"] aren't you lashing out too much? I respect you opinion, but you just can't ought right say that fathers dont have the right to discuss. Also no one here has mentioned that we support abortions to be made all the time and I respect ladies more often more than men.
     
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    I didn't really yell at anyone so no, I don't think I am. I'm very passionate about this topic. And I don't think the father has a say because he's not the one who has to carry the baby 9 months and go through the grueling task of childbirth.
    I don't mean to sound rude or mean, but this is my opinion. I, myself, am someone who would die if forced to carry and give birth to a child due to health issues, so it really hits home for me.
     
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    The father is the person who helped make the baby in the first place, yet he shouldn't have a say? I understand that he doesn't have to go through childbirth, but it is technically something he helped create.
     
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    Overall, I'm against abortion. I personally believe that life starts inside the mother, so I'm pro-life. However, I think we should keep abortion around for cases of rape. If the baby is going to kill the mother through birth, I am not going to judge them harshly. But, if a person is getting an abortion just to cover for their mistake, then I definitely don't approve. You might as well give the child up for adoption as there are willing people in the U.S. to take the child.
     
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    I'm ok with it if it's for "Stem Cell" Research, before the cells go through differentiation, but if the family doesn't get the baby out by then, I would consider it abortion.It's up to the parent's to take out a kid, because they don't want to wait, or if the mother doesn't want to suffer any more, thanks to the kid taking out all of her nutrients. There are many people on planet earth, (a bit too much if I should say) that abandon their child. No one should have to go through that, as those people live their lives with questions.

    I'm against abortion, but if the mother is going to die, or cases like those, the mother should have an option to live or not. It's morally wrong to kill a human life, or something that will eventually turn into one of us. Abortion should be screened, and made sure that only for extreme cases they would take out the baby.
     
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