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American Sniper

Discussion in 'The Lounge' started by Cobalt, Mar 3, 2015.

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  1. Cobalt

    Cobalt I'M A HURRICANE

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    (This may sound like it belongs in a movie section, but hear me out here.)

    American Sniper is a movie that came out last year, starring Bradley Cooper, who plays a sniper who has the most recorded kills in American military history. The man in question, Chris Kyle, was shot by former soldier, Eddie Ray Routh, while he was mentoring in a program meant to rehabilitate soldiers.

    Kyle also published a book, also called American Sniper, chronicling his stories and kills. Obviously, the movie was based off the book.

    However, allegations and articles have been published calling Kyle a racist, after he said in his book he had "fun" and "loved" killing Iraqis. He claimed they were all "savages" and didn't "give a flying fuck about Iraqis."

    These are quotes. I'm serious.

    Kyle is hailed an American hero by some, and called a racist by others. What's your outlook?

    Personally, I don't think America should be calling him a hero, and those who are don't see the fact that he was a racist, and was probably so good at killing because of the disgusting hate fueling him to do so. The fact that he relished and enjoyed killing people, no matter who they are, shows psychopathic and murderous tendencies, and he should only be painted in that light, instead of glorifying his kills as an "american hero."

    How do you see Chris Kyle's work? Do you think he was right in his actions?
     
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    He didn't call Iraqi savages... He called Iraqi TERRORISTS savages... Personally, I think he's an American hero. And, why should he give a flying fuck about the Iraqis? They don't give a flying fuck about him. And if he had fun killing terrorist, they're terrorists, I don't care if somebody has fun killing them, as long as that person doesn't start murdering innocents, which Kyle didn't do. I did read his book and I thought it was good and I agreed with a lot of his opinions. And I hope he hated terrorists... I know I do.
     
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    I'm not disagreeing with you on the terrorist things, I assure you I don't like terrorists. I'm not ready to go join ISIS and destroy America or whatever, but he painted them all in the same brush.

    What I'm saying is that he shouldn't be hailed as a hero because he blatantly enjoyed killing. That's not acceptable. That's not patriotism. That's not even heroism. That's doing something out of hate and being a racist and getting celebrated for it.

    When it becomes something he enjoys, he's no longer doing it for his country. He's doing it for pleasure. Killing for pleasure is kind of fucked up.
     
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    And I won't disagree that killing for pleasure is fucked up. However, being a sniper means you either have to adjust to having to kill people for a living or live with regret for your whole life...
     
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    Adjust is different than enjoy. He didn't get used to seeing people die at his hands, he literally relished in it. That's beyond being a soldier and following orders. That's becoming an actual murderer.
     
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    I do feel that after he quit the Navy, he became more human again, though.
     
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    Maybe, but I'm not sure that excuses anything. Some would say after a serial killer committed his last killing and stopped, they'd become more human. Some would say after an alcoholic quit drinking, they'd become more human. Just because you left something behind doesn't mean it's erased from history. Especially with Chris Kyle, who not only published the quotes above, but ended up having a movie, based on that book.
     
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    I know, but at least the people he killed needed to be killed.
     
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    Maybe some people he killed were threats to our country, but let's be honest. There's no way citizens weren't caught in the collateral damage he caused. Even if he killed people who "needed" to be killed, he still made racist statements and killed humans for fun. He's not a role model, in my opinion. He should be known as an example of what portrayals of Islam in media can do, and how war can affect someone's mind, instead of a patriot.
     
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    I agree with what these guys said (note: the first one is a veteran):
    ...I then told her if Kyle's a "racist" then her Pop (Bulge vet, Bronze Star w. "V") and just about every other member of the armed forces who has engaged in combat is a racist. "Happy" can be a psychopath or, as in most cases like Kyle's, "happy" can mean "I'm happy I killed them before they killed my guys."


    Like most, I didn't know Chris Kyle personally. I read his book. Did he call all Iraqi's "savages"? Not that I've read. Did he call the Iraqi insurgants and enemies "savages"? Absolutely. That is a very distinct difference. He even talked about the importance of being discerning when evaluating threats.
    Was he infallible? Of course, not. None of us are. However, seems a lot of jackasses are throwing stuff out there without the faintest friggin' clue.
     
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    I'd just like to throw my opinion in here, because this is a good topic. To start, I'll say, There's a huge, huge difference between "Muslims" and "Terrorists". HUGE.

    I get the fact that it was war, and all, but killing innocent lives isn't all that good. I like in the end how they show him about to shoot a young boy, but the boy drops the grenade launcher. I believe that every human life is valuable, and if it could be salvaged, let it be. But, This is Hollywood, and they misinterpret everything. For me watching the movie took me a lot of courage, and I paused throughout the movie countless times, trying to calm myself down, and see how the rest went. (The part I hated the most had to be the Eid-Al-Adha dinner part.) But,Is this how America sees Muslims? Sadly, I think yes.

    But what is the definition of Terrorist anymore? Does it have to be a Muslim? When he was the "most wanted man" in Iraq, did that mean he was a Terrorist to Iraq? He's considered a hero in one person's eyes, and in another perspective, he's a terrorist.

    Anyway,Nowadays, around the world especially in America, Muslims are being persecuted, and told that they should go back to their own country. I've witnessed it in front of my eyes, many many times.
     
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