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Can we REALLY help animals?

Discussion in 'The Lounge' started by Almiraj, Mar 3, 2015.

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  1. Almiraj

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    I've been in kind of a depressed state as of late. I go to so many places and I see a lot of people pushing hunting, meat eating, animal testing, deforestation, and just plain killing, harming and belittling animals, always saying "it's for the good of the environment" and what not.

    But what I really wanted to make a topic about was to ask for ways we can help animals and the environment WITHOUT killing animals, harming them, or putting them below human convenience. It might make me feel a little better if I could get some help on this matter.
     
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    I don't think there is anything wrong with eating meat. Everyone has different taste and meat helps our bodies grow, people without meat tend to have weaker, frailer bodies (Correct me if I'm wrong).

    However, I am not a fan of hunting stuff just to hunt...I think it is ridiculous. If you use what you hunt to survive, then it's fine, but if you're just going to kill something to kill then that is pretty messed up, and it wouldn't surprise me if those sorts of people turn out to kill people, too.

    As for animal testing and deforestation...yeah no. Those are pretty awful, and they need to stop.

    Also moving this to debates as this isn't exactly a light subject.
     
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    Like Achromatic said, it's perfectly fine to eat meat, as it's a good source of protein && some people literally have to eat it in certain circumstances.

    While I don't want to burst your bubble, realistically, I think it'd be impossible to abolish all of these animal-related issues-- As much as I'd like for them to be abolished. There are just too many people out there whom would be against it. For most places, it's about profit && the economy rather than the environment && issues that we really need to pay attention to. Of course we can help animals and the environment, I'm just saying it's unlikely the government will step in and really enforce a positive change for the environment. Unfortunately, it just seems to be about money, money, money these days.
     
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    Look friend.

    Every year, over 27 000 species of Animal and Plant life go extinct, regardless of our actions.

    Humans have evolved to eat meat. So its normal and we should eat animals. If only we would use all of animals, but yeah. Meat is good for you.

    Hunting is fine also, but not illegal hunting! Its a sport, hobby and for some a source of food.

    Animal testing? Well. Make up tests on animals are not fine on my opinion, but medical studies are fine. I don't care if few rats die for a cost of our whole races life.

    I have kinda have come to terms that we humans are on top of the food chain, but it seems we abuse that position.
    Your thoughts are very inspiring i must admit. Its good to see that some people actually think now days! (I don't)

    This is an interesting topic. Let's continue.
     
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  5. Almiraj

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    Ugh! You have all COMPLETELY missed the point of this topic! I asked whay we can do to help animals without killing them! I didn't ask for debates or justifications on hunting and killing animals.

    Now I ask again, how can we help animals and the environment WITHOUT KILLING, HURTING OR BELITTLING ANIMALS.
     
  6. Achromatic

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    I think you're missing the point...this is a discussion forum, and when you bring up subjects like this not everyone is going to agree with you. Why don't you try to convince us otherwise with some proper points on your side?
     
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    Nope. In order to help animals, we have to know about them. In order to know about them, we have to test on them.
     
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    No, I'm not missing the point, you're CHANGING the point. This is NOT ABOUT HUNTING! It's not about meat, it's not about animal testing, it's not about deforestation! All I asked for were ways to help animals and the environment without killing them. There was no debate, there was no point, there was only a question. Everything else is pretty much in your mind.
     
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    I...I just can't right now.



    You brought ALL of this up in your original post. Please check your facts before accusing people of having stuff in their mind.

    Topic hasn't been changed, we're discussing it. People can't just agree with everything you have to say if they don't actually agree.
     
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    As nice as it would be, it's impossible to keep from happening unfortunately. There's always going to be people out there with some sick, twisted ideas, mentally unstable psychopaths/sociopaths that will hurt animals. We're not going to be able to stop everyone from hurting animals, there are WAY too many humans to keep track of every single one. Plus, we have to eat too.

    Not to mention sometimes animals get hurt or killed by accident, either crossing roads and getting hit, or falling and getting trapped in pools. It doesn't mean the person that hit them is horrible, or the home-owner did it on purpose. A lot of the time in those cases the animal is killed instantly as well, so no pain.

    Nature is just as cruel to those animals too. There are other animals that kill for fun and animals can die of starvation, or injury from other animals, even weather is a factor. So even if humans are wiped out, other animals will still suffer.
     
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    Yes, I mentioned that stuff, but that's all I did was mention it. That doesn't mean it was the point of the topic.

    Edit: Just lock this topic. I'm starting over later. Next time I'm not even going to bring up hunting. I'm just going to say "How can we help the environment in ways that don't involve killing animals" or something.
     
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    Look look...

    There is no way to "Help" animals.
    Since we (humans) are on the top of the food chain and the dominant species of the Earth, we naturally are using other animals to our purposes. Its evolution. Its In our genes.
    Even ants have domesticated mushrooms!

    Its not a question of "right" or "wrong", it just is. Morality distracts humans.

    And we humans are not a thread to the planet and its life forms. Like i said: "Every year, over 27 000 species of Animal and Plant life go extinct, regardless of our actions."
    That is natural selection. Survival of the fittest. And we have been here for 10 000 years and practiced heavy industry and medical research for under 200 years. We are just making Earth more suitable to us.

    If the planet really wanted, it would wipe us out with one super virus and shake us off like bad case of fleas. And when we are gone bullying animals and extinct, some other life form will take our place and restore its forests after a re-occurring ice age.. It just is.

    Its just nature and we are doing what is in our genetic code, disturbed by morality.
     
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    Why not just edit your first post then, and edit your newest post to say something like 'please read main post, I've edited it to be more clear'? The you don't have to make another topic.

    Also, "How can we help the environment in ways that don't involve killing animals", it's still impossible. While you're intentions are great, and I understand why you'd want change, I don't think you quite realize or understand what we're all trying to explain to you. If you're not in the right mindset to be able to listen and understand due to being upset, step away for a while, and calm down. Then come back and re-read everything. We're not attacking you, we're trying to answer your question.
     
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    To add onto what @[member="DracoFeathers"] and @[member="YouHoney"] said, it seems like you're wanting us to reassure your thoughts instead of giving our actual opinion.
     
  15. Almiraj

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    So basically... humans are scum and there's no changing that. There's literally no way we can actually help the environment, we can only destroy it. Is that the point? There's no way we can help little brown bats or help endangered rhinos or wombats or any other animals without killing even more animals? It's better to just let those animals go extinct because they don't benefit our species? Is that the point?
     
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    Animals are constantly in combat with one another, so in order to help one species, we would have to do something to another.
     
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    Yes, but more killing can't ALWAYS be the answer.
     
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    Now you're just putting words in my mouth, which I don't appreciate. Did I say any of that? No.

    I didn't say we shouldn't try, but in the end there are too many factors that we can't control. Climate change, overpopulation, invasive species being introduced where they wreak havoc, disease...
     
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    I was asking if that's what you meant, I wasn't saying you said that.

    But for example, what could we do to help bats. They're being ravaged by a fungus, and people don't seem to want to help them because "bats are evil," but they're important for controlling bugs like mosquitoes.
     
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    Listen, being a vegetarian and an animal lover myself, I understand how you feel, but there is nothing we really can do... It's like what [member=Achromatic], [member=Dracofeathers], & [member=YouHoney] said, there is nothing we can do to change it. It's all about Natural Selection, survival of the fittest. Even if we do stop doing all of these natural destructions, nature will just find a way to cause it.. Such as, over population, endangered species, and much more!! If you go to an environmental science class or look over anything similar to that, you'll understand.. But you can't just take it out on us, it's not our fault. It's all about nature!! Think about what you said and read carefully on everyone else's posts, okay?
     
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