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Captain America or Iron Man?

Discussion in 'The Lounge' started by Cobalt, Mar 10, 2016.

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  1. Cobalt

    Cobalt I'M A HURRICANE

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    Marvel fans will know that the next movie in the MCU is coming out on May 6. "Captain America: Civil War" has sparked debate on whether the shield or the suit are on the right side of history. They're debating the Super Registration Act, which would require heroes to register with a government entity, and make themselves known to be called upon when necessary, and told to hang back otherwise. Captain America is opposing this act, along with heroes like Scarlet Witch and Ant-Man on his side. Iron Man, on the other side, supports the act, with others like Black Widow and Spiderman in favor as well.

    So, who do you side with?
     
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  2. Absolute Zero

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    While I'm not interested in Marvel enough to take a side, I will say that after watching a lot of Justice League animated series (particularly the second half, in which there's quite a bit of butting-heads with the American government), that I favor a third option: organized self-regulation. If the heroes are able to become an entity which is capable of controlling and having accountability of their own members and actions, then they should be given the right to do so without the extra baggage of governmental affiliation, like being subject to patriotic bias, bureaucracy, and the frequent possibility of causing an international incident any time they hunt a baddie who crossed a line-in-the-sand border. Once those are attached to heroes, it becomes very difficult to effectively and impartially defend the defenseless and uphold justice for all. Just imagine if every time Ra's al Ghul went from Egypt to Turkey, or any time Darkseid's rampage crossed from Metropolis into nearby Canada, Batman or Superman had to call up the US government or various embassies just to be able to follow that badguy to his next victim and save the planet from annihilation. That's what happens when superheroes become bound to a government entity.

    However, if they fail to hold themselves accountable and act responsibly with their power, then it may be a good idea if limitations are imposed upon them. If they can't regulate their own actions and keep themselves or each other on a leash, then a government should step in to do it for them, or else it's likely they'll all be seen as criminals omitting due process any time they stop a criminal or knock out a terrorist.

    So that's my idea: self regulation first, then if that fails, government regulation. Running free is not a good idea though, or else we get Watchmen.
     
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  3. SinnohBorn

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    Captain America totally. I havent seen Captain America 2 (The winter soldier), but i saw the first one. Captain Americas back story is pretty cool. He came from getting beat up all the time, to being the one who beats people up. (He doesnt even like beating people up, thats how good he is XD) Anyways, he ended up saving the world but payed the ultimate price in getting frozen in ice for 70 years, not being able to watch the world evolve around him. He then wake up to present day and that is where Avengers takes place. What i do know about Captain America: The Winter Soldier is that he re unites with his previous love intrest, and finds out she has aged with the world. She is now an elder, with a family (Yes, she has been married and is a grand mother). The poor guy. Oh, and to add to that did i mention he has Alzheimers? Well she does, and she does not recognize him until the end of their talk. But why i like him is that hes a super cool ninja who has been though literally everything, and does not nearly get the credit he deserves.

    Iron Man on the other hand, has been handed his rich life and glory and has his love interest. Not that he is not cool or anything.
     
  4. Maantijger

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    I really hate patriots tbh so I'm going with Iron Man. I'm not a huge Marvel fan but I'll probs end up watching this in the cinema anyway if my friends ask me. Iron Man is cool right?
     
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  5. Vanillite

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    Dude is this Team Edward/ Team Jacob all over again??

    I couldn't give two shits about this movie tbh, superhero movies are never really anything utterly spectacular, but I guess Captain America idk. I just wanted to make my garbage Twilight comment.

    ALSO HOW THE FRICK IS CAPTAIN A M E R I C A OPPOSING THIS ACT LIKE FAM YOUR NAME IS CAPTAIN A M E R I CA. You'd think he'd be all about taking it up with the USA.
     
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  6. Wyxamex

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    While I would notmally be all for siding with Tony as I adore him, as well as Tash, I'm gonna have to side with Steve for this one. I just don't think it'd be a good idea if the government controlled what they can and cannot do and when they do it. Not only would the permission have to go through the government to them, taking up precious time that could have been spent saving the world, it would most likely more often than not happen that the government thinks they're in control of things and tells the heroes to lay back, making the initial damage much worse before something can be done about it. As such, I'm very sorry Tony but I'm gonna have to betray you here, the government would not be a good idea for ya =w=
     
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  7. Megarai111

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    I don't watch Marvel movies, but I'm gonna side with Captain America on this one. He's blonde :3
     
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  8. shinygiratinaz

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    I'm on Captain America's side all the way. I mean, the New Warriors were just a bunch of kids, they could never have guessed that Nitro would detonate a whole school around them. A law shouldn't be passed just because of panic and anger just after a big event like that. The law would also put mutants under even more surveillance, which is honestly already on a borderline unconstitutional level. Superheroes who also try to lead quiet lives and careers could lose their jobs or face threats on their lives and families. And also...

    Wait, we're talking about the movie. :sweat: Uh, still captain america, I guess? I'd have to know the catalyst for it and the reasons they give. But overall if superheroes had to get licenses and be unmasked to do their jobs, they'd face ridiculous threats, the ability to be easily targeted or endanger their families, and be able to be tracked easily by villains. It'd make it a ton harder for them to stop super-crime overall. I see Tony's reasoning, but what's good on paper and what works do not always align.
     
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  9. Achromatic

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    Deep Sea Scale ★★★Deep Sea Tooth ★★★Star Piece ★★★★Rage Candy Bar ★★★Dragon Fang ★★★★
    Anyone watch this? What did you think? :)

    I really enjoyed it, was less keen on the fact that it was 90% action and 10% actual story/talking though. It feels like it's a trend among these superhero movies that it has been BOOM CRASH action all the time with little talking happening. There was some talking, don't get me wrong. But it could have done with more, imo.
     
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  10. Kipine

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    AaaAa I loved this movie!

    I think they did really well with the writing. I was interested in the story and everything seemed to be thought out, the main characters were all likable and therefore you actually cared what happened to them..! There were some really dramatic and actually surprising moments (and funny ones too) that I realy enjoyed.

    Hmm, I would've enjoyed if they talked more, too. But I'm glad the action scenes had some thought in them too and weren't just buildings crashing and things breaking where can't figure out what's happening, haha.
    Also they did really well with multiple characters, it wasn't too chaotic or anything!
     
  11. Eru Iluvatar

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    I haven't had the chance to watch it yet (exams and stuff) but I've been looking forward to this for a looong time. I was hoping they'd do a Civil War movie since Avengers (1) came out and it finally happened, so I'll definitely be watching this soon. Can't wait! xD

    PS: I swear to god, if anyone spoils this for me I will hunt you down. >.>
     
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  12. LostSpirit

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    I thought the movie was great! I mean it did annoy me a it with some scenes and the beginning of the movie took me completely off guard. I also really liked the introduction of new characters. Black Panther is yes. Just yes. I was actually really happy with it because it did explore more backstory of some characters.
    Also, Ironman is awful.
    #TeamCaptainAmerica
     
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    Finally someone else who is #TeamCaptainAmerica. i liked the pacing of the movie and probably the best movie spiderman i have ever seen. The airport scene (not quite a spoiler its in the trailers) alone easily for me at least tops this movie over age of ultron.
     
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    Aw man! Spiderman was great! He's what I really wanted Spiderman to be. He was just so dorky and cute.
    Some of my friends had mixed feelings about it, but I think Tom Holland really brought Spiderman to life. His character was fun and outgoing.
    I didn't like how they made Aunt May young again. It felt weird because I kept connecting to older movies.
     
  15. Wizard

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    I'm a longtime Marvel fan, I've read some of the comics, and far too many wikipedia pages and lore, so I've had quite a bit of experience regarding the Marvel Universe. I've seen almost every Marvel movie recently made by Marvel Studios, and I'm essentially a lover of everything Marvel. Now, while growing up, I always regarded the "Civil War" story as being slightly different from the one that movie showed. However, I loved how Captain America Civil War handled the plot and the characters. I thought that it was going to be a bit of a mess, having a dozen Avengers all together in a single fight and throughout the movie, but somehow, all of the characters throughout the movies stayed true to their characters. Spiderman and Black Panther were excellently cast, and I'm still quite excited about that. This Spiderman is the best Peter Parker/Spiderman combination we've seen (sorry, I forgot the actor's name, sue me). I don't know Black Panther's actor either (don't bother telling me, I won't remember anyways), but he did a phenomenal job capturing the Black Panther that I envisioned. I won't spoil anything, but the ending is great, and I think it's fitting. All in all, there are few movies PERIOD that I like better than Civil War. I am probably going to go see it again, and if you haven't seen it, seriously go see it.
     
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    Okay, my favourite MCU movie is still either GotG or CA2, But Civil War was awesome. The thing that I loved about it was that you could actually understand every character's motivations. Each character had a reason to be on the side that they joined, and it just made sense. Sure, Cap is a bit thickheaded about his friend, but I legit did the same thing as Cap did in a Xenoblade sidequest, so who am I to judge (and I've seen thicker people in even more recent media Mayoiga fans come at me). I think the pacing of the movie was great up until the final confrontation. Also, major spoiler
    BLACK PANTHER STOPS THE VILLAIN FROM KILLING HIMSELF AT THE END (although it would've been great to see the Zeemo outfit or is that just the Avengers Assemble cartoon)
    The ending was a disappointment, it felt like the tension that had been built up in the movie just kinda dissipated instead of climaxing.

    Captain America movies are honestly the best made out of any of the MCU movies, they are quite interesting in their execution rather than "here's a bad guy, we beat the bad guy, world is saved." Cap movies have repercussions on the world, the world never quite recovers from the events of the movie. That's what is beautiful about it.

    Also Asa Butterfield is the best freaking LA Spoodey. (Aunt May though...)
     
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