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Discussion in 'Festival Plaza' started by Xarn, Nov 17, 2014.

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  1. Xarn

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    Well, I think that is my time to search for help. I am really worried about this team, I often have problems to build a team with Mega Manectric and Talonflame, so here I am:

    Manectric @ Manectite
    Ability: Lightningrod
    EVs: 4 Def / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
    Timid Nature
    - Thunderbolt
    - Volt Switch
    - Overheat/Flamethrower
    - Hidden Power [Ice]

    Talonflame @ Choice Band
    Ability: Gale Wings
    EVs: 252 Atk / 4 Def / 252 Spe
    Adamant Nature
    - Brave Bird
    - Flare Blitz
    - U-turn
    - Will-O-Wisp

    Gyarados @ Leftovers
    Ability: Intimidate
    EVs: 88 HP / 192 Atk / 4 Def / 224 Spe
    Adamant Nature
    - Substitute
    - Dragon Dance
    - Waterfall
    - Bounce

    Gliscor @ Toxic Orb
    Ability: Poision Heal
    EVs: 252 HP / 184 Atk / 72 Spe
    Impish Nature
    - Earthquake
    - Knock Off
    - Defog
    - Protect

    Terrakion @ Life Orb
    Ability: Justified
    EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
    Jolly Nature
    - Rock Slide
    - Close Combat
    - Zen Headbutt
    - Stealth Rock

    I know it Is a disaster, and I don't know which will be the 6°slot. So that is why I am here. My problems with this Pokémon are always this : other Talonflames, Status and Hazzards I hope you can help me. Thanks!!

    Current team

    Manectric (F) @ Manectite
    Ability: Static
    Shiny: Yes
    EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
    Timid Nature
    - Flamethrower
    - Hidden Power [Ice]
    - Thunderbolt
    - Volt Switch



    Talonflame (F) @ Leftovers
    Ability: Gale Wings
    EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spe
    Jolly Nature
    - Brave Bird
    - Flare Blitz
    - Roost
    - Will-O-Wisp



    Rotom @ Chesto Berry

    Ability: Levitate

    EVs: 216 Def/ 44 Spe/ 248 HP

    Bold Nature

    - Hydro Pump

    - Volt Switch

    - Will-O-Wisp

    - Rest



    Clafable @ Leftovers

    Ability: Magic Guard

    EVs: 108 HP/ 160 Def/ 144 Spe/ 96 Sp

    Calm Nature

    - Moonblast

    - Flamethrower

    - Calm Mind

    - Soft-Boiled



    Bisharp @Black Glasses

    Ability: Defiant

    EVs: 252 Atk/ 252 Spe/ 6 SpD

    Adamant Nature

    - Knock Off

    - Sucker Punch

    - Iron Head

    - Low Kick



    Landorus-T @Choice Scarf

    Ability: Intimidate

    Evs: 252 Atk/ 232 Spe/ 24 Def

    Jolly Nature

    - Earthquake

    - U-turn

    - Hidden Powder (Ice)

    - Rock Slide
     
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  2. DIO

    DIO KONO DIO DA!

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    I'm a little surprised you're using an Attackscor instead of a Stallscor, but whatever.

    It seems that you want an all-out attacking team, so you may like a fast Special Attacker like Latios or Keldeo.
     
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  3. Fantasma

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    ok a couple of things i would change gliscor for latias, you dont have any special attacker and latias can do the role of gliscor better
    also i think life orb can do better in talon than the choice band but foe the rest the team isnt bad
    also maybe changing gyara for greninja can work in your team.
     
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  4. Xarn

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    Manectric (F) @ Manectite
    Ability: Static
    Shiny: Yes
    EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
    Timid Nature
    - Flamethrower
    - Hidden Power [Ice]
    - Thunderbolt
    - Volt Switch

    Talonflame (F) @ Life Orb
    Ability: Flame Body
    EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spe
    Jolly Nature
    - Brave Bird
    - Flare Blitz
    - U-turn
    - Will-O-Wisp

    Terrakion @ Expert Belt
    Ability: Justified
    EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
    Jolly Nature
    - Close Combat
    - Stealth Rock
    - Zen Headbutt
    - Rock Slide

    Latias @ Leftovers
    Ability: Levitate
    EVs: 252 HP / 252 SpA / 4 SpD
    Modest Nature
    - Draco Meteor
    - Psyshock
    - Defog
    - Roost

    Donphan (F) @ Assault Vest
    Ability: Sturdy
    EVs: 172 HP / 252 Atk / 84 Spe
    Bashful Nature
    - Rapid Spin
    - Stealth Rock
    - Knock Off
    - Ice Shard

    Greninja (M) @ Expert Belt
    Ability: Protean
    Shiny: Yes
    EVs: 4 HP / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
    Timid Nature
    - Hydro Pump
    - Ice Beam
    - Dark Pulse
    - Extrasensory

    Okay, these are the changes, so What do you think?
     
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  5. broongus

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    Talonflame should have Gale Wings instead of Flame Body. I do not recommend Life Orb Talonflame because it doesn't stick around for very long. Life Orb recoil + move recoil + hazards gives it a very short lifespan. Since you seem to want an offensive one, I suggest Sharp Beak/Choice Band instead. If you opt to give it a Choice Band, change Will-O-Wisp to either Sleep Talk (to better handle Breloom) or Roost. Terrakion has Stealth Rock but doesn't need it. If you HAD to give it Stealth Rock, I'd change the item to Focus Sash. Expert Belt is only good for bluffing Choice items. If your opponent sees you use Stealth Rock, they're going to know you aren't Choiced. I would use the Swords Dance set, as you lack any setup sweepers. Your Donphan has Stealth Rock + Assault Vest. That doesn't work. Drop the Assault Vest and give it Leftovers instead. Your team seems a bit weak to Rotom-W and Volt-Turn in general.
     
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  6. Xarn

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    I was thinking in Bisharp and make some changes...In easy way I was thinking in start again and use Manectric + Bisharp , but Scarf Drill comes to my mind
     
  7. guimartgon

    guimartgon Competitive Blog Writer

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    I would honestly appreciate some info on what does each Pokémon provide to the team because right now without anything other than the extractable the team just looks like a mess of random Pokes.
     
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  8. Xarn

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    Yeah...you have a good point. Before I continue I want to say Congratulations for became a Gym Leader!..And now..my answer is simple as that...they are random pokes, I wanted to combine manectric(mega) with other Pokes because I don't have any expirience with it...If you can give me a help it will be good.

    Help includes: How to work with Manectric, What kind of strategy should i use with it, and everything that you know about it to help me.

    I did this changes:

    Manectric (F) @ Manectite
    Ability: Static
    Shiny: Yes
    EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
    Timid Nature
    - Flamethrower
    - Hidden Power [Ice]
    - Thunderbolt
    - Volt Switch

    Talonflame (F) @ Leftovers
    Ability: Gale Wings
    EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spe
    Jolly Nature
    - Brave Bird
    - Flare Blitz
    - Roost
    - Will-O-Wisp

    Rotom @ Chesto Berry
    Ability: Levitate
    EVs: 216 Def/ 44 Spe/ 248 HP
    Bold Nature
    - Hydro Pump
    - Volt Switch
    - Will-O-Wisp
    - Rest

    Clafable @ Leftovers
    Ability: Magic Guard
    EVs: 108 HP/ 160 Def/ 144 Spe/ 96 Sp
    Calm Nature
    - Moonblast
    - Flamethrower
    - Calm Mind
    - Soft-Boiled

    Bisharp @Black Glasses
    Ability: Defiant
    EVs: 252 Atk/ 252 Spe/ 6 SpD
    Adamant Nature
    - Knock Off
    - Sucker Punch
    - Iron Head
    - Low Kick

    Landorus-T @Choice Scarf
    Ability: Intimidate
    Evs: 252 Atk/ 232 Spe/ 24 Def
    Jolly Nature
    - Earthquake
    - U-turn
    - Hidden Powder (Ice)
    - Rock Slide
     
  9. Spammernoob

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    Have you seen the Megaman/Lando core with Crawdaunt? It was popular ~1 month ago due to pokeaim using it. I tried it, and it works really well. Using a Volt-turner to bring in Crawdaunt is always very useful, as Crawdaunt is really slow but hits like a truck. It helps alleviate the weakness vs. Mold Breaker Exca, and, tbh, you can use it over Bisharp since you have plenty of answers to Lando-T and don't have many hazards.
     
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  10. guimartgon

    guimartgon Competitive Blog Writer

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    I'm kind of busy now but what spammernoob said, Mega Manectric + Scarf Landorus-T is an amazing VolTurn core in Smogon OU right now, aim used it in a team made by gr8astard.
    Extractable:
    Crawdaunt @ Life Orb
    Ability: Adaptability
    EVs: 8 HP / 252 Atk / 16 Def / 232 Spe
    Jolly Nature
    - Swords Dance
    - Crabhammer
    - Aqua Jet
    - Knock Off

    Garchomp @ Lum Berry
    Ability: Rough Skin
    EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spe
    Jolly Nature
    - Swords Dance
    - Stealth Rock
    - Earthquake
    - Dragon Claw

    Landorus-Therian (M) @ Choice Scarf
    Ability: Intimidate
    EVs: 252 Atk / 12 Def / 244 Spe
    Jolly Nature
    - Earthquake
    - Superpower
    - U-turn
    - Stone Edge

    Azumarill @ Assault Vest
    Ability: Huge Power
    EVs: 232 HP / 252 Atk / 16 SpD / 8 Spe
    Adamant Nature
    - Superpower
    - Play Rough
    - Aqua Jet
    - Waterfall

    Gengar @ Life Orb
    Ability: Levitate
    EVs: 4 HP / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
    Timid Nature
    - Sludge Wave
    - Taunt
    - Shadow Ball
    - Focus Blast

    Manectric @ Manectite
    Ability: Lightningrod
    EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
    Timid Nature
    - Volt Switch
    - Thunderbolt
    - Hidden Power [Ice]
    - Overheat
    That is the exact same team gr8astard made.
    Scrf Lando-T + Megaman doesn't need to go with crawdaunt, it just goes well with anything that can set up and needs some wearing down before sweeping. The idea is to always get Stealth Rocks up fast and then prevent Defog with offensive VolTurn pressure until your opponent's team is falling appart, I've won games when I was down 2-5 just with Lando-T scarf, mega manectric and rocks. You should seriously try that core out :]
     
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  11. VeryButter

    VeryButter Overly Buttered Artist

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    Okay, I got some help from my friend, Techles. This is what he says. (please note this is for the original team)

    Well I see an error right away. Assult Vest with Stealth Rocks?

    Wat.
    Assult vest makes it so you cant use moves like that
    Also the Talonflame should have Gale Wings as its ability
    Also, why have defog if 2 Pokémon have S.Rocks and one already has Rapid Spin?
    Defog clears ALL hazards. Yours and the opponents. While Rapid Spin just clears the opponent's.
    As in, the ones they layed for you to get trapped in.
    Also, IMO, I would have Overheat on the Mega Manactric and Dragon Pulse on Latias. Tho that may just be preference.
    Overheat replacing Flamethrower and Dragon Pulse replacing D.Meteor
    Also. The team as a whole seems a bit weak to ice.
    Also, if the guy wants to, if he changes his Talonflames ability to gale wings, he may wanna move some of the speed EVs. Tho again, t'is preference. Because G.Wings gives priority to any/all flying type moves.
    So Brave Bird can be, annoyingly, spammed
    A real annoying tactic is a BraveRoost.
    Speaking of annoying, I need to get around to breeding a certin gem munching munchkin
     
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  12. Xarn

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    It is a good point about Defog and Gale Wings, thanks you Cira for you investigation and help. :)

    Guimartgon this is a very useful team, Thank you for your help. I can see that you are a good person, you really deserve to be a Gym Leader.

    Thank you very much Spammernoob, The Crawdunt idea is incredible, I like too much this Pokémon and I didn't know about this combination.


    I already answered to this

    I answered and changed my team with it, thank you :)

    Were good suggestion, I did the changes thanks

    The first answer, very useful to start :).

    General FeedBack.

    To all of you that participate in this Topic for give me help ( Gengar's Grin, Fantasma, Slowbroongus, Spammernoob, guimartgon and Cira).

    I just want to say thanks, it was very useful, all that you told me. I am very proud of my choice of joining to this community...And before I get a Hug Attack, I just want to say...Thanks T_T :)

    I can only select 1 answer to the topic...
     
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