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Donald Trump, Mexicans are....what?

Discussion in 'The Lounge' started by 「✧Aɴɪᴍᴀ✧」, Jul 13, 2015.

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  1. 「✧Aɴɪᴍᴀ✧」

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    Yo, so i'm gonna post a lot in this side of the forums cause well i love debate. What's you're Opinion of what Donald Trump said about the mexicans. I honestly don't agree, Because well one i been in the topic of immigration ever since i was 5 and second of all i'm Mexican. So if you don't know who is Donald Trump is, it's a Owner of Ms.Universe. If you heard the new of CBS and Univision Dropping off his contract to Air Ms.Universe you know what he said. Do you agree with him? Or do you don't? Did you think the stuff he said was harsh or not?
     
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    AHAHAHAHAHAH.

    Holy fuck, I despise Donald Trump.

    What he said was completely out of line, out of order, out of context, and he, himself, is out of his mind. He makes completely inane statements like this, without even checking his facts. "They bring rapists, they bring murderers." Sure, Donald. That's why the majority of rapists and murderers, are, in fact, white. It's absolutely amazing to see just what he'll pull out to try and win a vote he knows he can't possibly get.

    I honestly laugh every time I see a headline talking about someone pulling out from Trump's support. Whether it's NBC, The Apprentice, or otherwise, I just can't believe how much backlash he's getting. But he deserves every single bit of it.

    And I'd like to see him try to build a "Trump Wall" across the U.S./Mexico border. That'd actually be pretty funny.

    Anyway, yeah. Fuck Donald Trump.
     
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    Agreed,(btw i love blake) to tell the truth i'm not the hateful type but what he said screwed me over inside and out. Mexicans aren't the problem they are trying to escape from those rapists or Murderers. True every country has them. Including Murica. So i don't what he's saying because we are a country who has those too.
     
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    I'm not going to go too deep in depth here, but I'm glad he said what he said. Why? Because now even more people (but somehow not everyone) can plainly see that he's almost criminally insane.

    Thank you, Donny, for being so forthcoming with us. We appreciate the honesty.
     
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    I'm probably going to get some heat for this, but I'm actually for Trump. He's not against Hispanics, he's against illegals. He said so himself. Who are the most common illegals? It's Hispanics. Unfortunately a lot of the people who do sneak into the country are criminals and created a stereotype that "All Mexicans are illegals and criminals". I think he knows that's not true, but it is a problem that people need to deal with and not a lot of people are willing to risk bringing it up. Not saying that every illegal is a criminal, of course. People should become legal the right way to become a citizen and get rights to vote, education, etc (and learn English because you need to be able to communicate with the workforce and others. Not everyone can speak Spanish. If you go to France, for example, probably a good idea to learn some French). The Executive Order that Obama made to give illegals all these benefits rubs a lot of Americans the wrong way because why should they get all this when we, the tax payers, don't or can barely afford it? It comes off as pandering and encouraging for people to sneak into the country and puts illegal immigrants on top of the people who are legal. I myself have zero problem with people who do come here legally. My best childhood friend is Mexican and his dad came to the US legally. He loathes illegals who sneak in. In my opinion, they should make becoming legal easier for people who want to move here. Trump is right about illegal immigration. There's a lot of people who take advantage over it and do commit crimes. Something does need to be done about the border. Something is better than nothing.
     
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    True haha
    I honestly respect you're Opinion but here's the thing.
    There is another way to handle illegals here America it's called Immigration Reform Program. Honestly this can be handled like this easily by making these certain programs. Some illegal come here to America just to refuge from all the stuff that's happening in Mexico. If you can tell Mexico is dealing with Gangs and Drug problems and that's why my mom came here in the first place just to get away from that. Some illegal are tying to have there children in a safer environment and some seeing Mexico the closest country to America. Some kids are being left in the border separated from there parents in fact. If those kids step into America unauthorized there labeled as "Illegal" instead of "Refugees". Like i said there is another wayto handle this, the Immigration Reform Program, Checking Criminal records, Checking there items, and making them start over. I know were you're all going at but, Just because there illegal doesn't me their EVIL. So many children are scared that there going to be taken away from there parents and being left there to starve. If you don't believe it look it up you're self but seriously. There's other ways to handle this and everyone seems to be ignoring it. Some of it is true but it isn't the majority of the illegal immigrants it's the minority. So they don't need to built the the great wall of america just more surveillance more security and more immigration centers there.
     
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    I believe it, and I know that there's a huge problem in Mexico. This is going to make me sound cruel, but it's not the U.S. problem. It's Mexico's problem, and they've done a really piss poor job at it. It's so bad, it makes me wonder if it is intentional. Again, not saying that everyone that jumps the border are bad, but the people that they are running from are coming here too. Mexico needs to step up and do something about it, and it looks, at least to me, that they don't care. The crime is through the roof. I know that the people who do not commit crimes want safe place to live, I'd want the same thing, but coming to the U.S. illegally and expecting it to be great are going to have a rude awakening. The U.S. isn't crime free. Our own crime rate is going up. Poverty level is going up. Unemployment is going up. Our National Debt is astronomically high and still climbing. When our own economy falls, it will be anarchy. Depending where they go, they're going to have just as hard of a time finding a decent place to live and a job like they did in Mexico. It is unfortunate for the children who get caught up in this. It really is. It's not their fault, but what are we to do if one or both of the parents are criminals? We can't bring in more crime when our own crime rate is going up. The overall problem stems from Mexico and their crap government. If the problem is to ever be truly fixed, it starts there. This may be heartless for me to say, but here is what really needs to be done: Make crimes unmercifully punishable for high level crimes like murder and gang-related crimes. Take out the cartels ruthlessly with no prisoners. Crack down on drug-users and sellers (Not drugs like pot, I'm talking about the hard stuff). It may sound like a dictatorship, but this is the only way to fight crime on that level. Ruthless aggression. People who rape, murder, and steal without remorse for others should be given the same treatment. Fight fire with fire. It's the only way at this point to fix Mexico and the overall problem.
     
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    Get is but here's the thing, is is our problem now. Seeing that we went into the war between Iraq, Afghanistan, and South Vietnam, we are now the jesus of the whole world. Just the ignorant false type messiah. See they aren't looking in the bigger picture. This can cause a WAR and then it soon will be our problem and we wouldn't be the country of freedom anymore. IT OUR PROBLEM we're neighboring them, were next to each other and unless we don't fix the issue calmly and peacefully without hurting anyone feelings (which i doubt is possible). This can become a war not by the president issue but by the citizens because obviously you can tell that the president ain't having control over them. This isn't just sweet jolly rancher candy it can cause another world war, Salvador and Guatemala and seeing Japan and Germany helped was allies during the holocaust you know what the outcome of this. I'm just saying it our problem no seeing were responding very badly when it comes to this. This isn't the right approach this can make a civil war between some people in the USA as well including when it comes to race. Because the USA has a mix between immigrant, African Americans. obviously it our problem now seeing were next to each other and stuff. It can't be easily ignored. The war stuff though it's a small chance but It can happen.
    (though i'm not a hateful person toward lake valor members and other people so here have a hug (。◕ ∀ ◕。) *hugs*)
     
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    If it comes to war, then so be it. We, as humans, are violent in nature and someone, somewhere, are always with war with someone else. People get butthurt very easily nowadays and often think of themselves above others. These clashes of opinions makes things hard to accomplish anything (just look at Congress). If the U.S. has to deal with everyone's problems, they only really have two options. Let them figure it out, or go to war and fix it for them. Which will it be? The U.S. can't fix everything. It's honestly the U.N. problem, not the U.S.
     
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    *sigh* This i can agree on when it comes to human nature. (。◕ ∀ ◕。) why is our congress so blind that they can easily fix this. The United Nations Involve the U.S though. Thought the Office is like near here where i'm at (New york). (。◕ u ◕。) see this is why sweden is one of there leaders they have free college and never goes into problems haha
     
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    Congress is full of old people that can't agree on anything. The U.S. is apart of U.N., yes, but the U.S. is the only ones really doing anything about it.
     
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    I don't agree with everything he said. However, whether or not they're rapists, murderers, etc. They're still criminals. Its called ILLEGAL immigration for a reason. Also, like JJ said, the US is the main country that actually takes action in the UN.
     
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    Donald Trump has always been a controversial figure, even long before he put himself into the political picture. Should someone be deemed "legal" in order to acquire American rights? Yes. This rule applies in about 95% of all other countries. We're actually rather generous when it comes to "illegals" crossing the border. If you try that stunt in a country like Russia, you're gunned down on the spot, or put in a hard labor camp for a long period of time. There's no doubt that we have corrupt politicians int his country, but it is the Mexican government who needs to focus on their own country if they want to win their people back. They can start by having a credible justice system. If the Mexican people are happy, they won't feel the need to cross here illegally in a state of fear. If they did want to visit America, they would be happier, wealthier, and healthier and will come tour and/or move to this country legally and peacefully. If a person(s) has something to offer for another country, you will gladly be accepted. As it stands, a lot of this issue dates back to President Nixon and his failed (and still failing) drug policies. We have an angry, violent Cartel, a massive black market, and 70,000+ deaths since the drug war began. If we ended the war of drugs, that alone would do wonders for immigration, as well as the economy... and human life.
     
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    Yeah but mexico is one of those countries that'll need YEARS to recuperate and stuff. But seeing it's not getting any better this is what there doing, like seriously for now they can only send there kids here and ask permission for them to enter. If we don
    t let them enter america is looked as a cold-hearted bitch to tell the truth. It's sad.
    what's the problem letting KIDS IN. there aren't even that age to be wise about drugs and raping and stuff e-e
    @Raptor the gunned down part not much liking that hard labor...hmmm as long they stay.
     
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    About Armerica looking like a bitch... We pretty much already look like one and I'd rather look like a bitch than have all the problems that come with these things.
     
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    But it's really stupid how all theses problems can be easily resolved and we wouldn't have to be looking like a bitch really at all. We can look like sweden PERFECT.
     
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    Sweden isn't a superpower and doesn't share a border with countries that have all the issues Mexico does. A shirt may look great, but it might not fit you. Same thing here.
     
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    I think Donald Trump is a strange guy. He might be one of the best examples of what capitalism can do: because he's so rich, he can say whatever he wants to say. I'm not from America so I don't really know how politics works there, but I have heard that Trump, from the Republicans, is a major attention bomb for the party. If the Republicans kick him out of the team, he'll just finance his own campaign because he has enough money to. That will just make the Republicans lose votes.
    Honestly, I hope he doesn't become president. I think that will be a major problem for the world's politics, since I'm not able to see him make proper decisions with the things he says and that hair.

    N.B.: I'm not against capitalism or anything. I'm just showing an example of how it can be taken too far.
     
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