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Emojis and why they are annoying and pointless >_> (contains a bit more than an average amount of sw

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  1. Maantijger

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    So you might think it's ironic I'm making a thread like this because I've been known to abuse the >_> emoticon every opportunity I get, but that's not what this thread is about. First, let's break down what's an emoji and what isn't. If you look up emoji on Wikipedia, you find that "Emoji (絵文字えもじ?, Japanese pronunciation: [emodʑi]) are ideograms and smileys used in electronic messages and Web pages. The characters, which are used much like ASCII emoticons or kaomojis, exist in various genres, including facial expressions, common objects, places and types of weather, and animals.". Okay, fair enough, but you notice that they specifically mentioned emojis being something else (though used in the same way) as emoticons.
    On Wikipedia, this is what is described as an emoticon: "An emoticon (/ᵻˈmoÊŠtáµ»kÉ’n/ or /iˈmoÊŠtáµ»kÉ’n/), etymologically a portmanteau of emotion and icon, is a metacommunicative pictorial representation of a facial expression that, in the absence of body language and prosody, serves to draw a receiver's attention to the tenor or temper of a sender's nominal non-verbal communication, changing and improving its usually distinguished as a 3-5 character piece – usually by means of punctuation marks (though it can include numbers and letters) – a person's feelings or mood, though as emoticons have become more popular, some devices have provided stylized pictures that do not use punctuation.
    In Western countries, emoticons are usually written at a right angle to the direction of the text. Users from Japan popularized a kind of emoticons called kaomoji (顔文字, often confused with emoji in the West) that can be understood without tilting one's head to the left. This style arose on ASCII NET of Japan in 1986.". So basically, emoticons are made using ASCII symbols on the keyboard, for example the XD, :3 (does anyone know how to make appear like normal and not the Azelf face??) and the :$, while kaomoji are emoticons that can be read understood normally without having to tilt your head, for example the >_>, o3o, etc.
    If you've been paying attention, you can clearly see that emojis and emoticons/kaomojis are NOT the same thing, contradicting popular belief. Just wanted to make you aware of that before I start with the rant and even though this post is already way too long lol. Alright so now that you are aware of what emojis, emoticons and kaomojis are, we can finally start talking about the issue at hand: the emojis.
    Honestly they're just so fucking annoying, they all ridiculous without and no one knows what they actually mean. While emoticons and kaomojis have actual use and significance in conversation, emojis are just all over the place. In fact, I have a perfect example that literally happened yesterday in the Whatsapp group for my homeroom class. I have made an analysis of the messages sent here:
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    The picture speaks more or less for itself and this is just one of MANY examples of the abuse of emoticons. First let's go into detail one of my most hated emojis; the laughing crying face. I think it's made to resemble someone who cries of laughter, but (as stated in the picture) it just look looks like shit. Why do they have to make these emoticons so ugly?? The two giant teardrops, the shading on the face, the eyebrows, everything looks so ugly and unappealing.
    Now look the emojis below that. The commentary I added in the picture, just describes my feelings toward it perfectly. WTF does the guy mean with that?? WTF is the girl doing?? HOW TF does it relate to the conversation at hand at all?? It boggles my mind and the worst thing is, as you can clearly see, it's not enough to just add one of these to your message, no. There's ALWAYS at least 3 of the same emojis in the same message? WTF is the point in that?? And this is an actual thing that happened yesterday, less than 24 hours ago in a conversation with completely normal high school seniors, it's not like this an obscure thing only weird people do and I have tons more examples of this. I could go on and on, but I'll spare you all now.
    Another thing is that emojis have spread beyond IM messaging services, and they are now a staple on crappy posts on FB, for example. I'll share a few posts with you, but if you use FB, you know what I'm talking about already:
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    I'm not even going to go into depth, the posts speak for themselves. These all appeared on my timeline within a 24 hour span and I have 95 friends on FB, which isn't even that many. Imagine how many of these kinds of posts you'd come across if you had something like 500 friends. That's scary to think about.
    I've already covered how the emojis are abused and how common it is, so let's look into the emojis individually. Emojis come in many forms and they're all shitty. The example of the emoji of the girl in the pink shirt holding up her hand as if carrying some invisible object is an example of how nonsensical emojis actually are, but unfortunately they are many, many more.
    If you look up 'emoji' on Google Images, this is one of the first pictures you see:
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    I'm guessing these are the most popular emojis or something and I recall seeing some of my classmates use these too so let's go with that. The first few are pretty self explanatory, they're the shitty version of the :D, <3, <3, ;P, :$, (seriously how do make these not appear as the Azelf face) etc. But that's when things that a darker turn. Why is there an emoji with no mouth and only eyes???? What does that even mean? Why are there emojis of a guy with a headband, a police cap, a nurse cap (tbh I have no idea what that's supposed to be on his head) and a hat that those famous royal guards in England wear? Then there's the girl in the pink shirt doing the inexpiable hand thing, a baby, some guy with a monk cut, a girl with pigtails. Alright, what's the point? What if you sent someone a message asking what hw you had to do for math, them responding and you saying 'thanks' and then them replying with three emojis of a guy wearing an English royal guard hat??
    But it's not over yet, there's also the hands. The thumbs up and thumbs down are pretty self explanatory, but then there's the one with index finger and thumb. I know in some cultures that's the sign saying something like 'nice' or 'looks good', but I've heard that in some other countries it's the equivalent of giving someone the middle finger in Western culture so that's kinda odd, but okay I guess. Then the brofist? Or maybe it's the emojis for punching someone? It qualifies for both purposes so I have no clue tbh. Then the clenched hand. Why? Why would you send an emoji of a clenched hand at someone? Is it a sign of giving someone strength? Like when you're trying to motivate someone you clench your hand at them when you talk? Is it supposed to be a visualization of the clenched hand an anime character makes when he's doing that thing where he looks at his open hand, stares intently and then clenches his hand? Emojis are originally from Japan so it's possible. No clue about this one either. Next is a piece sign. Okay, I can see that, no issues with that one. Alright, a waving hand I guess? For saying goodbye maybe? It looks like a waving hand so that's what I'm going with. But then the worst hand emoji of them all and I have absolutely no fucking clue what's supposed to represent. It's a mystery, who hold their hands up like that irl and why are those triangles flying above it?? There is nothing I can come up with that'd make sense. People use this emoticon too, I've seen it around FB but I still don't know what it means, seriously. Finally we have a pair of hands praying or something. Why does this emoticon have to exist? Do people send it to God or Jesus or something instead of praying irl? Why would anyone use this emoticon and why does this hand emoticon have sleeves while all the other hand emoticons are just bare and naked hands? Oh well, I guess we're finally done with the hand emojis.
    Following the hand emojis there's two 'miscellaneous' emojis that don't really fit anywhere. There's book with an emoji on it maybe to represent the vast array of emojis you can use, but again, why would you use that emoji in conversation? Same goes for the art thing (forgot what it's called in English), it's clear what it is, but why does it exist and under what circumstance would you use it?
    Next are the heart emoticons, most of them are pretty straight forward, except the last two. Is that supposed to be a growing or a shrinking heart? I guess if it was clear what it meant there could be some occasions to use it. For example if your mom or whatever texted you saying she's going to cook your least favorite food you could send her a shrinking heart, but in that situation, why wouldn't you use the broken heart? It's the same thing the other way around, why send someone a growing heart if you can just send a normal heart, and there's 3 different colored hearts available. There's no point. Again, I have no idea what the last heart emoticon represents. Actually, I can't even make a stupid guess or anything, I just don't know.
    Finally we have another two 'miscellaneous' emojis, namely two wind direction things (don't know what they are called in English either) and a top hat. The top hat could represent classiness or swag or whatever, so that can be justified but why the wind thing? Why? There's a blue and pink fish so maybe it represents something like marriage or a couple? But I know there's already an emoji of a married couple and a regular couple holding hand or whatever so that's probably not it either. It's literally an emoji of a wind thing in the form of two fish. I keep saying this again and again, but why? They all look like shit too, but I've already mentioned that numerous times before.
    Let's take a step back and look at the emoticons and kaomojis and compare them with the emojis. With emoticons, it's almost always clear what the other person is trying to say or what kind of emotion they're trying to convey. An emoticon can give a completely different meaning to a sentence and almost everyone can understand what you're trying to say with adding an emoticon to the message. For example, the sentence "I just ate 2 bags of potato chips" can become altered can be given a completely different emotion just by adding a simple emoticon at the end, look at the difference:
    I just ate 2 bags of potato chips :3
    I just ate 2 bags of potato chips x_x
    See the difference? Of course you do, nearly everyone with at least some knowledge of IM would see what you're trying to say with the emoticon. Even a one word sentence like "Okay" can be given a twist with an emoticon:
    Okay >_>
    Okay :D
    The point is that emoticons are effective and universally understandable for everyone, whereas emojis can be completely unclear as to what they mean or what the person who sends them is trying to say. This is also apparent when simply reacting something someone said. Let's look at the first example of my homeroom chat where the guy used 4 emojis of the girl in the pink shirt to react to something that was supposed to be funny. When reacting to something like that with an emoticon it'd be easy for everyone to see how you felt about the supposedly funny thing by reacting with something like:
    *funny picture*
    XD
    :/
    The emotions can be understood by anyone with a basic knowledge of IMing, while an emoji of a girl wearing a pink shirt holding her up tells the sender of the picture absolutely nothing about how the other person feels about said picture. How are you supposed to derive what another thinks of something with an emoji like that??
    This is only the tip of the iceberg when it comes to emojis and I could go on for much longer, but I have to go football training now so I'll cut it off here. Also apparently I have to remove a couple emoticons from this post because it's against to rules to use so many in one post. How ironic.
     
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  2. Eclipse

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    Counter-point: You could use a basic argument very much like your own to bring your case of why emoticons and kaomoji are just as annoying. (Side note: when making a post, there is a box when making a post that says 'Enable emoticons'; if that is unchecked, they will not show up in your post - though they may still show up in the text editor.)

    This is false. With the absence of body language or other communication channels, text-based communication is always possible to be misunderstood. For example, the emoticon ^_^ has also been used to indicate blatant sarcasm, and punctuation choice is also a victim of a similar situation.

    So at this point I have to ask: is this a case or viewpoint as to why emoji are potentially irritating and whose use should be reduced for the sake of clear communication - or is this just a rant borne from your near-constant encounters from emoji to the point where they just really, really get on your nerves?

    Do not mistake me; I am not saying that it isn't legitimate to be frustrated at unclear communication, or even just statements that are apropos of nothing. I am saying, however, that such a problem is not unique to emoji. This is a problem as old as textual communication itself; emoji are just easier to abuse in this regard, since they utilise pictures, not characters, and thus can display a much wider variety of emotions, feelings, and situations.

    The problem doesn't necessarily lie with the emoji or the emoticon itself. It lies with the speaker and the language s/he chooses to use to communicate his/her feelings or intent. So, more likely than not, if you encounter or notice people with poor emoting choices or simply terrible spelling and grammar, it's not the fault of the emoticon or the words. It usually just means they're terrible at communication.

    If you chose to read this at all, thank you for your time.
     
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    Thanks and it's honestly a mixture of both. Of course it's about the person who uses the emoticon or emoji in question. But the thing is that rarely anyone abuses the emoticons anymore or at least doesn't use multiple ones in one sentence. I've seen never seen anyone type ":3 :3 :3" or ":) :) :)" and the only people who type 3 or more Ds in the XD emoticon are 12 year olds. On the other hand, regular people just throw the laughing crying faces at least 3 at the time over nothing or use 4 girls with a pink shirt. Emoticons and emojis are both used for the same purpose and I think emoticons do a WAY better job at what they do: adding extra emotion or spice to a conversation and I get you can convey more emotion with a small picture rather than some ASCII pieces code, but why do the emoji have to be so damn ugly and why are there emojis of dolphins or corn plants or those wind things with the shape of fish?? And the fact that they are all over the place and so many people use them makes it even more annoying. Oh and the post wasn't meant to be objective lol. I just felt like expressing my hate for the emojis.
    Also in the time I was away for football training, another FB post appeared on my timeline:
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    And they are all over the comments too:
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    I mean come on. And these were all reactions on different posts too.
     
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    But those points largely have to do with the person saying the emoticons/emoji, not the object itself. I'll grant that emoji are generally a bit harder to use in sentences, since their uses are very clearly particular and fine-tuned to an occasion or sentence, but then again, so are words like 'portend', which are used only in highly specific instances.

    I think your problem lies largely with the people who use emoji badly, not emoji themselves - because emoji, in and of themselves, are neutral objects, and their meaning is only conveyed (either well or poorly) based on how well they're used. And while emoji misuse is more common, that's largely because there is a larger variety of emoji, and they thus become more prevalent.

    That doesn't mean that emoticons are immune to misuse. People can drop seemingly random emoticons at inappropriate moments too. It all comes down to who's using or speaking them.
     
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    I agree it's overdone. For instance, that whole "Order a pizza by texting us a pizza emoji" thing is/was stupid. It devolves society, it's the equivalent of just saying "pizza!" and hoping someone knows how to interpret the specifics of it. Not "Hello pizza-making fellow human, how goes your day? Mine goes well, although I would very much appreciate one of your delectable pizzapies, preferably a large smothered with mushrooms and sardines and olives for some reason". Nope, society is moving in the direction of "Pizza! Me want!" with emojis.

    It doesn't affect me much personally. I have a non-smart phone, so if people text me emojistuff, the entire message turns into empty rectangles for me, which I thereupon ignore (after informing them of such only one time per friend). So I'm not tired of it yet, because I simply don't see it in my own life.

    On another note, the text-faces make me laugh quietly to myself. Has anyone here noticed that I haven't once made a text face here, at all, ever? I get its purpose in moderation, but one friend of mine includes the oh-three-oh in 40% of the texts she sends me. It took me months to figure out it was a kissyface, and furthermore it generally serves no purpose. "Hey, how was the brake inspection on your car oh-three-oh?" How does that constitute a kissyface at all? Throw in a kissyface if you're asking if I want to watch a movie with you, not when we're talking about my grimy-handed chores.

    I think that might wrap back up my general reaction. They're whatever in moderation, but when entire conversations are comprised of little pictures and are used to replace human interaction like ordering pizza? Well that's just thumbs-down crying-face poopy.
     
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    I would never disrespect the people who use emoticons or emojis. I hardly ever use them, unless it's the animal icons or the Lake Valor icons. Instead of the 'laugh-crying' faces, I would say "This post was so funny, it brought tears to my eyes!"
     
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    This! Why can't more people do this! In the same vein as emoji/emoticon overuse, another thing I never do is use ell-oh-ell (see? not even right there) and similar 3-4 letter abbreviations because they're just oversimplifications. When you're using that, you're doing one of two things: being moderately amused but ultimately not having a visceral reaction of any kind or preemptively defusing a potentially negative statement in the same vein of saying "I'm kidding, I'm kidding, please don't hate me" after saying something like "you are an embarrassment unto society, why don't you do us a favor by putting on a blindfold and playing in traffic".

    Descriptions like "this made me laugh so hard it brought a tear to my eye" or "oh my goodness, I want to cry sad tears" or "I wish you could see my angry death-glare right now" could help make the internet a more literate and artistic place. Sure, there's fewer little pictures, but more verbal eloquence, so I for one still count it as being more artful.
     
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    i only use emojis ironically or for really dumb jokes.

    it's like "XD", i used it a ton when i was younger, but as time went on i sorta realize that posting something funny or whatever then putting "XD" at the end just makes it LESS funny. so i only use it when i'm mocking people like me when i was younger who are all like "[insert random thing] XD".
     
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