er..my first time making a serious topic..wish me luck *gulp* so! heres my topic on gender. i guess i can start with.. what do you think gender is? is it a social construct? do you believe in it? what gender are you? what pronouns do you use? if you're outside of the "normal" gender binary, when did you find out you were? are you open about it? for my answers, i think gender is just..a social construct, i guess. its something made up to keep people confined in a box, to make people feel confused and unsure about themselves. that's just my opinion though. my gender is nonbinary, which by google's definition is Genderqueer (GQ), also termed non-binary, is a catch-all category for gender identities that are not exclusively masculine or feminine‖‌identities which are thus outside of the gender binary and cisnormativity. ... moving between genders or having a fluctuating gender identity (genderfluid); or. which basically means i feel as if i'm not male or female, i'm just..a person. thats the best way i can explain it, i guess. i found out i was outside of the gender binary 2 years ago. i thought i was gender fluid but then found out about genderflux, and thought that fit more until i realized nonbinary while it is an umbrella term, seems to fit me the best as of right now. i am pretty open about it on the internet however i am not irl, bc i am not a very confident person and have trouble speaking up. my pronouns i forgot to mention are they/their/them, by the way. those would be appreciated, thank you. so uh..i guess answer the questions and see if a discussion starts. please be civil in this discussion. if anything goes wrong i will ask if someone can lock it. thank you.
I'm genderfluid myself, so I agree with you there. And my anthropology teacher in college said the same thing.
I believe gender is not black and white at all, but a colorful spectrum that lets people really express who they are. It's also sonething that society should accept and respect one day. It makes me kinda fuzzy inside when people are brave and willing enough to express themselves, one step closer to a better world. As for me, I'm female (she/her). I did once think I was nonbinary once (agender?), but that was just a confusion with my rambunctious tomboy-ish personality.
Personally, I belive im just female and I don't plan on changing that, but I believe anyone should identify as whatever they want.
Sex is the biological fact of what you are. Gender is the "social opinion" of what you are. I don't see the point in gender at all. At the end of the day, you're you. Why does anybody have to make up an arbitrary silly thing for their gender, when the point is that they don't want to be judged by what they are? People shouldn't be judged by what they are, but by who they are and their character. If traditional gender roles are outdated and silly, then I could make the claim that all gender roles are silly. Might as well throw the entire concept out and judge people on their actions. I don't think this is true. From my thinking on the matter, gender roles once served a purpose, when the mortality rate of humanity was much higher and life was far more dangerous. Now that most of the danger is gone, it's now a silly relic of our past necessities. We don't need it anymore, and we're in a transitional period where people are beginning to realize that.
You are either a boy or a girl. Everything is based off your chromosomes and those Punnet squares you learned about in 7th grade. Now, I can respect that somebody is gay or asexual, but that's not a gender, they're a boy or a girl. It's also based on your reproductive organs, but that would be inappropriate to get into. There's literally nothing about it that makes it a "social" thing or a "choice." You're either a boy or a girl and that's it. You never change.
i hope you realize sex does not equal gender. you have a very close minded view on gender, i see. and i'm sorry you feel that way. sex is what someone was born as, and gender is what someone feels they identify as, or how they feel on the inside, i guess.
You can go believe that there are a million genders. Especially the one where if I think I have a woman's arm, that's a gender. I'll just stick to my conservative values that are currently controlling the US. You can think that there are 76 genders and I can think there are 2. Let's just try to tolerate each other and not get into a full blown argument.
What Kindred is trying to say is that you're talking about "sex". Our sexual identifications are undeniable, barring incredibly rare edge cases. You are equating gender to be the exact same as sex, according to their definitions. To them, Gender means something else, and you have to address that when talking about gender. It's like progressives saying minorities can't be racist. The definitions are just different between "normal racism" (as most normies such as myself think) and "progressive racism". You have to bridge that gap, or else no conversation is going to happen. Without consistent definitions, there can be no discussion.
What if I rephrased by just saying, "Hey, I think there are two genders. You think there are 76 or how many you think. That's fine, I have my beliefs, you have your beliefs. I can have ideas about you and you can have ideas about me. I'm just a straight white boy who wants everybody to think correctly."
Just a quick (and final) reminder to keep things civil. @[member="Jhopthegamer"] Regardless of what you think about genders, you will be expected to respect and refer to people here as whatever gender (or lack of) they identify as. I think you should look into what gender is scientifically defined as and then explore what different genders actually are. It appears that you're uneducated about this topic (especially due to the woman's arm comment), so I would strongly suggest researching this before attempting to debate further. Just as a side note, whatever views you have, you need to be able to critically analyze and adapt them based on new knowledge. Refuting things because they make you uncomfortable - without actually knowing much about the topics - isn't going to get you far. For personal growth, you need to be able to learn without bias and change your views. Unless things escalate again, I'm not going to be posting further in this thread.
@[member="Satix"] let me give you my response to your post I try to respect people. If you didn't see that through my posts, maybe we should have a private discussion and I can explain more of my views in a more comfortable setting. Here, you're right. I always thought sex and gender were basically the same thing, but now I get the definition. Now, if you look at a chart of recognised genders by some website (which I forgot) there is a gender where the person is all blue (meaning that part is a man) and one of his arms is pink (meaning it's a woman's arm.) I've looked at new knowledge. I've done more research. I've thought about it more. I've thought about it without bias. I still think there are two genders, based on personal experiences, opinions of close friends and family, and personal beliefs. So, there you have it. I'm not trying to escalate the conversation any further. I saw this post and I thought it would be okay to express my ideas. Let's try and not get more heated up, but let's try and ease any tensions.
I don't believe gender should prevent anyone from doing anything. It's just pathetic that some people discriminate against people for being different. I'm female, I guess, but I typically feel more inclined towards male. #MissingNo
