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Mega Metagross suspect test

Discussion in 'Festival Plaza' started by Martsian, Feb 9, 2015.

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  1. Martsian

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    If you dont already know, mega metagross is under suspect test! I agree that this mon is really powerfull with amazing movepool, great stats and tough claws, but there a lot of counters on it( lando, ferro, scizor etc) and i think that it will banned for no good reason!

    What is your opinion about that?
     
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  2. TripleAAABattery

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    I cant say that I didnt see this one coming. Im not sure if he'll get banned or not, but one thing is for certain; He destroys my precious Mono-Fairy, so he MUST BE BANNED AT ALL COSTS.










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  3. sohrob101

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    Honestly, this thing doesn't have too many answers to many common Walls, and it still gets crippled by will-o-wisp. It's moveset isn't glorious either, and it doesn't have a lot of options to work with, or at least in my opinion. Again, there are many Pokémon that wall this thing, that are commonly used. Thus why i feel it shouldn't be banned, as it will get stuck to the likes of Aegislash, and Blaziken.
     
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  4. Hylian

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    I have to agree with @[member="Martsian"]. Mega Metagross is definitely powerful, but he isn't as broken as say Greninja or T-Flame. If it was the same case as Greninja, where it had literally no counters, then I would be for banning it to Ubers, but again, Meta Megagross isn't nearly as broken, and I personally think is just fine where it is in the Tier lists.
     
  5. Nator

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    Next thing you know, they'll be complaining about Mega Camerupt. Whiners will be whiners.
     
  6. BadPandaPancham

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    The problem is that the instant your check to MMetagross dies it's gg. You have to keep it healthy and safe to be able to take it on. MMetagross has high damage, defenses, speed, etc. Heal Bell isn't even that rare on teams (pokes like Clef) so WoW can be not as safe to bet on. Plus most WoW users die to an Earthquake :/ It has way too much late game sweeping potential and works similarly to Greninja against a lot of teams (granted it has to set up). Sure, unlike Greninja who has p much unstoppable coverage, MMetagross definitely doesn't have poor coverage, just not the best.
     
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  7. Martsian

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    i know its really powerfull! But you indeed have to keep it healthy! It cant heal and its spD isnt so good!
     
  8. Pitmore

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    It feels with smogon's new algorithm that anything we like and use is banned. At this rate, we will have to raise the awareness of this problem by using a team of magikarp!!! Megagross will be banned because we use it too much, its so annoying! Whatever you like, NOPE!! just take it away! Smogon need to up their game and don't use lazy coding. They need to look at what is becoming too centralized and i haven't seen a team with Mega Metagross in a while.
     
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    I don't really see a reason for it be banned. Wait... It has low.Spd, but high def... How come Mega Swampert using Earthquake nearly ones-hots it? It gives me some trouble, but so did greninja. I've beat them, you just have to be a skilled predictor or getlucky. Conkelldurr is good at taking on both, and Breloom definitely means trouble if it has mach punch for greninja. I understand the need for tiers, but just becayse someone couldn't figure out how to beat somebody doesnt mean it should be banned.
     
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  10. Martsian

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    I know guys! Sometimes smogon is overeacting to some things! But its ok! We can live another day!
     
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    Okay, getting something straight, mega metagross is most definitely a larger threat than greninja. I don't agree with all the bans, but mega metagross has to go. The entire tier has become centralized around it, and once the few checks to the Pokémon are gone its gg. And that's just checks, no real counters in my opinion. I never agreed with the aegislash,m-mawhile, and greninja bans. M-gengar I felt could go either way. But M-metagross has to little counters in this tier, and falls in the same boat as m-kangashkhan. too op. needed to be banned
     
  12. Spammernoob

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    This is a suspect test, not a ban. Stop complaining 'til it actually gets the banhammer, guys.

    Also, stop complaining about Talonflame. :/
     
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  13. Ryan

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    Maybe it was making the meta gross.

    Regardless of Smogon's verdict, it won't be banned from LV tiers so don't worry about that.
     
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    I honestly hope they ban Mega Metagross. I always have to keep this Pokémon in mind whenever i'm building a team because it's just powerful. One wrong move and it's game over for me.
     
  15. TripleAAABattery

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    But its the same thing for many top tier Pokémon like MegaZard X and Clefable. If you dont build a team with them in mind, you losse.
     
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    That's a true statement, but I don't find them nearly annoying as Metagross. I can dispatch those two Pokémon with ease.
     
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    I have a good feeling megagross miiiiiight (barely, much like Aegislash) hit ubers. The natural bulk when uninvested is damn good, it speed ties with non-HP fire base 110s if +speed (I'm looking at you Lati twins), the movepool does its purpose, and its damage is kinda nuts when tough claws adds the boost; almost as hard as the choice band set.

    However, it does get checked by a couple pokes. Bisharp is one of them, with a 66.8% chance to OHKO with a life orb Sucker Punch w/o rocks, and a guarrantee after rocks.
    Heatran is kinda a soft check (a harder check if you are choice scarf) unless it has EQ/Hammer Arm, where it can go to town on you. (it's a thought so I am probably wrong)

    Mega slowbro, especially calm mind/slack off but less so if CroBro (Restalk CM) can potentially check/wall (I think) it w/o grass knot, barely taking 24.8-29.4% (the calc is if you're using 252HP, 232def, 24spd slowbro) from a knock off, and 28.4-34% from a thunder punch. If you get the burn from scald and/or get 1 CM up, have fun. 2HKO at +1, and crippled with a burn.
     
  18. Martsian

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    i generally talk here and there about mega metagross! People dont like it is in suspect test! They hope it will stay ou! Of course there are a lot of haters! I think that if its hits ubers, it will be really close result!
     
  19. East

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    Personally, I think Mega Metagross should be suspected to become an Uber.

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    Metagross @ Metagrossite
    Ability: Clear Body --> Tough Claws
    EVs: 252 Atk / 252 Speed / 4 Def(or HP)
    - Bullet Punch
    - Meteor Mash
    - Zen Headbutt
    - Earthquake

    Metagross = 80 HP - 135 Atk - 130 Def - 95 SpAtk - 90 SpDef - 70 Speed
    Mega = 80 HP - 145 Atk - 150 Def - 105 SpAtk - 110 SpDef - 110 Speed

    Mega Metagross is monstrous base stats. Upon Mega evolution, it gets put into the 91st percentile of speed, 95th percentile of Attack, and 97th percentile of Defense. 80 base HP and 110 base SpDef are also nothing to scoff at. It doesn't just rip through teams that pack nothing for it, but it also has the bulk to withstand an attack or two from most other teams.
     
  20. Sugar

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    I'll keep this short, but MegaGross has several counters, no matter what set he's running. Here's the #1 counter:

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    Scizor Mega isn't even 3HKO'd by any of MegaGross's moves & can easily set up an SD on it & beat it down due to it's lack of recovery.

    Metagross Mega vs. Offensive Swords Dance Scizor Mega:



    252 Atk Tough Claws Mega Metagross Hammer Arm vs. 116 HP / 0+ Def Mega Scizor: 107-127 (34.5 - 40.9%) -- guaranteed 3HKO



    Taking a Meteor Mash Attack boost into account:


    +1 252 Atk Tough Claws Mega Metagross Hammer Arm vs. 116 HP / 0+ Def Mega Scizor: 160-189 (51.6 - 60.9%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

    Okay, that second calculation may hurt a lot, but it's not guaranteed he's going to get a boost off of Meteor Mash.

    Offensive Scizor Mega vs. Metagross Mega


    +2 252+ Atk Mega Scizor Superpower vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Mega Metagross: 224-264 (74.4 - 87.7%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

    +2 252+ Atk Mega Scizor Knock Off vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Mega Metagross: 244-288 (81 - 95.6%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

    Here, if Scizor can get just one Swords Dance up, on the Metagross Mega switch in (why would anyone do this anyway) & one after the initial Hammer Arm, it's pretty much a dead duck.

    Metagross Mega vs. Bulky SD Scizor Mega:


    252 Atk Tough Claws Mega Metagross Hammer Arm vs. 248 HP / 0+ Def Mega Scizor: 107-127 (31.1 - 37%) -- 78.9% chance to 3HKO

    Taking a Meteor Mash Attack boost into account:



    +1 252 Atk Tough Claws Mega Metagross Hammer Arm vs. 248 HP / 0+ Def Mega Scizor: 160-189 (46.6 - 55.1%) -- 69.1% chance to 2HKO

    Scizor-M can just easily Roost off this damage.


    Bulky SD Scizor Vs. Metagross Mega:

    +2 96 Atk Mega Scizor Knock Off vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Mega Metagross: 202-238 (67.1 - 79%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

    Once again, if he gets an SD off the switch, the supercomputer is a dead duck.

    Phew, those were a lot of damage calculations, but just goes to show that Scizor-M is a clean counter. There are several more that can counter it no matter what it runs (Special Defensive Slowbro / Mega Slowbro, Rocky Helmet + Counter Skarm, & that weird Alomomola spread with Rocky Helmet.) Point in case, you can run a whole lot of Damage Calculations & they will prove the after-mentioned Pokémon are in fact, solid counters.
     
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