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OR/AS on the Pokemon Timeline

Discussion in 'Pokémon General' started by Netnin, Mar 17, 2015.

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  1. Netnin

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    Speculation time!

    After you get all of the O-powers handed out from those funny old men with the different coloured shirts in Mauville (including the one with the pink shirt, after beating the Champion), they will invite you to see them in their apartment in Mauville Hills. Now, the apartment across from theirs is home to 'a powerless man', talk to him and then bring it up with the man with the pink shirt. He'll then tell you to bring the powerless man there. Talk to him, and a cutscene of sorts commences.
    A lot of stuff happens that I won't mention (You kinda just have to see it for yourself.) and the powerless man becomes Mr. Bonding.
    If you've played X/Y you might remember Mr. Bonding as the NPC who hands out O-Powers.
    So with that in mind, OR/AS must have taken place before X/Y

    In the Oceanic Museum in Slateport, on the 2nd floor, there's a model of the Royal Unova; the plate says that it's currently under construction and its completion will be in years. In B/W2 however, the ship is completed; therefore OR/AS takes place before B/W2.
    But then again there's that whole theory with the 3-D Pokémon games taking place in a different dimension than the previous gens. (Someone has already made it a topic on the forums, look into it, seriously.) That little theory could disclaim this. By this I mean that the '3-D dimension' Unova might not have the Royal Unova built yet, but in the original B/W2 Unova, the Royal Unova has been built. The 3-D dimension Hoenn doesn't know this, of course, because they're not even in the same dimension.

    Okay, that's all I got. I'm sure there are plenty of other pieces of evidence out there that give the complete timeline of Pokémon, but this is all I found. Please, feel free to add your thoughts. I know I rambled a lot here, but if you've made it this far: thanks for reading!
     
  2. EverchangingArcadia

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    I for one believe in the "Many-Worlds Interpretation" in which at any given point, a world may split into two, causing an endless creation of many different combinations of worlds. Do I believe that OR/AS exists in a different dimension? Sure, why not. Your speculations are not that far from the theory I'm referring to.

    My theory is that for every REMAKE of a Pokémon game GameFreak makes, that is a "what if this were to happen after/before this?" type of scenario. Some may call it dumb or complex, I find it fascinating. A Unova region may exist or it may not. The only region can be the Kanto region with only the first 151 Pokémon in existence! That is a truly marvelous speculation in my honest opinion.
     
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  3. Absolute Zero

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    Your speculation on the timeline seems to be pretty sound, and it agrees with my theory that connects to both of yours. What I've been thinking for myself lately is that the re-release of a given Pokémon game is the real one, and the original one is an imperfect peek into the future, explaining why some things don't look as visually clear (your time-viewieng-machine has poor resolution?), and some details like non-native Pokémon aren't available yet. The remakes, due to the mighty power of retcon, have more connection to the outside world (of Pokémon). Relative timelines are more established, foreign Pokémon are present (they were 'hidden' from your time machine back on GBA). This explains why the museum boat isn't done yet in ORAS, because YinWhite and YangBlack (?) haven't happened yet. This guy in Mauville is just now becoming Mr. Bonding because LifeX and DeathY, where he will eventually live, hasn't happened yet either.

    At least that's my little connecting theory. Feel free to let me know if something I said is disproven or sounds off, it will help us get to a more correct outcome.

    edit: also, something strange occured to me while I was doing the Delta Episiode. Spoilered for those who prefer it that way:
    Zinia was all concerned about the Mossdeep Scientists' trying to redirect the Deoxys meteor to another portion of space, while not knowing or worrying exactly where it was going to turn out. She was afraid it would reappear near and crash into a nearly identical world with near identicaly people and Pokémon living there, and bring potential doom upon them all. My response was that space is so incredibly vast that the chances of the random relocation of the meteor hitting any world at all, let alone one harboring life, are effectively zero. But now I think she was talking about the other version of ORAS being in another dimension or connected solar system. So while I'm playing AlphaSapphire and Kyogre really is being awakened, OmegaRuby is also happening and Groudon is being awakened? Neither one is the only truth, because in another dimension/world the other half of the timeline is happening at the same time?
     
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  4. Netnin

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    Your theory is pretty interesting, I've never even heard of or thought of a time-viewing machine, but I personally believe in the "many worlds interpretation" that Everchanging Arcadia mentioned before you,
    where with every decision there are different dimensions created; as an example: in the war 3,000 years ago two dimensions are created: one where AZ builds the weapon and fires it, thus making mega evolution possible; and one where the weapon isn't built, and there's no such thing as mega evolution. (Another example would be Schrodinger's Cat, except there's one dimension where the cat is dead, and another where it's alive.)
    The dimension where the weapon wasn't built would be the original 2-D games, like RSE; and of course the dimension where the weapon was built would be the new 3-D games, when mega evolution was introduced.
    Going back to the Delta episode...
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    Zinnia was worried that the meteor would be redirected into a Hoenn region that was like ours, but different in some aspects. I believe that she's referring to the 2-D RSE Hoenn. Since the 2-D dimension doesn't have mega evolution, they would essentially be wiped out, (if I'm correct the meteorite is the same size as the meteor that struck the earth in the age of the dinosaurs, and we all know what happened to them) and Rayquaza wouldn't be able to mega evolve and destroy the meteor (I've already beaten this like a dead horse, but again, because mega evolution isn't possible).
    Secondly the 3-D world may also have separate dimensions, like a Hoenn region where the crime syndicate it Team Aqua, and one where it's Team Magma.
    If we want to go really extreme I heard some people theorize that each individual game is a separate dimension.
     
  5. Absolute Zero

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    We could go even more extreme than that and say that each individual player playing each individual game is their own dimension too, which can't really be disproven: that each individual cartridge sold and rom downloaded, and within those each playthrough or save state is its own universe.

    Whoa. How's that for a many-worlds interpretation?

    I never played BW or XY (I'm working on fixing that), but I did skim a bulbapedia article about some mega-evolution powered superweapon, and something like that either being fired or not being fired sounds like perfect split-timeline material, equivalent in the real world to what if the Cuban Missile Crisis wasn't averted, except different due to the inclusion of magic rocks enabling a world-saving dragon to do his world-saving thing.

    So how about this: The weapon either does or does not get fired and invent Mega Evolution, and two timelines spawn: 2D games in which Mega Evo is not a thing, and 3D games in which it is (subsequently those would break into paired versions of each gen or something like that). Rather than time travel and retconning, the differences between originals and remakes are chalked up to that initial superweapon timeline shift. AND [deltaepisodespoiler] if the scientists had disregarded Zinnia, RSE would have included an apocalypse at its end?

    It would be really cool if Gamefreak/Nintendo could confirm some of this and make a Pokémon Origins -like thing around it. I would watch the heck out of that.
     
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    Yes! That's exactly what I'm getting at; you nailed it right on the head!
    And I was thinking, now this is a stretch, what if the Pokémon world is a parallel dimension from our world? That would explain why there are some uncanny parallels like the Kalos region resembling France, the Unova region resembling New York, basically all the other regions resembling regions of Japan, and in the first Pokémon movie (yes, I realize the anime isn't canon) Ash mentions the Minnesota Vikings. Heck, Lt. Surge's referred to as "The Lighting American" (if Bulbapedia is correct) and he gives you a French Pikachu in HeartGold/ SoulSilver!
     
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    There are other references to real world geography. Mew is said to have come from a South American rainforest, Raichu and Gastly can each knock out an Indian Elephant or something like that with shock or poison gas inhalation (per Pokédex entries, which I think are mostly BS since they're being written by wandering 10-year-old kids).

    Another compounding fact to this alternate earth is how many legends and gods in our world have exact parallels in the Pokémon world, still existing as legends or gods. The Hoenn mascots are interpretations of three Hebrew figures representing the land, sea, and sky (it doesn't explain why these Near-East figures end up in a region of Japan), and those genies from BW are similarly based on some kind of Japanese figures (likewise not explaining how these Japanese figures wound up in the eastern USA), and XYZ are connected to the Norse worlds-tree. And many Pokémon have roots in Japanese folklore (Mawile, Banette, Ninetales, and Zoroark come to mind without opening Bulbapedia), many others are inspired by folklore from other parts of the world (German doppelGANGARs (of Clefable) and American LGM Little Green Men, and I think Snorunt is a Russian Domovoi or something). As if these gods/legends/monsters have been acknowledged all along in both worlds, just given different cultural interpretations based on if they're being spoken of in Israel or Hoenn for instance.
     
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    all I know is (cause I haven't played X/Y yet... ._.) is Gen 5 comes after everything so far... or more specifically B2/W2 as we cannot confirm if normal B/W happens after the other games (though its a 2 year difference so.. easy to speculate that it does) other than that you can place Gen 2 after 1, and that's particularry it.... of course with oaks appearance in Gen 4 it could be like this Gen 1, Gen 2, Gen 4, Gen 5 Every thing else is unknown for sure (oak woudnt know about sinnoh if he only still knew only about the original 150 Pokémon then he woulda told Red there was more than 150 including johto as well)
     
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    Something just occurred to me...

    SPOILERS!!
    If you haven't obtained the Audinite in OR/AS I suggest you don't read any further.





    In the Battle Resort, you find an amnesiac Looker. Since we've established that OR/AS takes places before X/Y, Looker does get his memory back sometime before OR/AS and X/Y. Of course, we don't know how he gets his memory back, but maybe this is something Nintendo and GameFreak will go into in future games. (Fingers crossed, guys!)
     
  10. Deltheor

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    With the pretty much canon multiple alternate universes theory now, it's hard to tell if there even is a true timeline at all. Even still, ORAS did definitely come before the events of XY due to the creation of a certain Mr. Bonding, and Looker washing up on shore. I think it was neat how some small additions to ORAS tied them in to the events of X and Y- such as the tree planted by AZ in Sootopolis.

    One theory I have regarding Looker showing up post-game involves Hoopa. Hoopa is the reason behind all the different legendaries appearing in the game, even if it isn't explicitly said. It's pretty obvious given the nature of the golden rings and whatnot. Anyway, my theory is when transporting some of these legendaries, Looker accidentally gets sucked in as well (possibly when transporting Dialga/Palkia or Reshiram/Zekrom, due to his involvement in both of those games). He then ends up in the ocean and loses his memory somehow, possibly due to the sudden transport between dimensions. It isn't a really sound theory, but I think it's interesting to think about nonetheless.
     
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