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Pokémon Violet Sky Type Changes

Discussion in 'Pokémon General' started by Achromatic, Jan 23, 2013.

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  1. Achromatic

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    The following Pokémon will have their types changed in the hack game:

    Gyarados - Water/Dragon
    Serperior- Grass/Dragon
    Samurott - Water/Fighting
    Emboar - Fire/Dark
    Charizard - Fire/Dragon
    Volbeat and Illumise - Bug/Electric
    Braviary - Flying/Fighting
    Clefairy/Clefable - Normal/Psychic
    Farfetch'd - Fire/Fighting
    Torkoal - Fire/Rock
    Bouffalant - Normal/Fighting
    Heatmor: Fire/Ground
    Cryogonal: Ice/Ghost.
    Gothitelle evo line: Psychic/Dark
    Cofagrigus: Ghost/Steel
    Scraggy evo line: Fighting
    Conkeldurr: Fighting/Rock

    Feel free to suggest any more type changes here! They may get added to the game.
     
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    I think Charizard should be Fire/Dragon and not Fire/Flying, and I also think Rhyperior needs to be Ground/Steel.
    Other Suggestions include:
    Yanmega as a Bug/Dragon
    Azurill as Water
    Volbeat and Illumise as Bug/Electric
    Cranidos and Rampardos as Part Steel like it's Fossil rival
    Haxorus as Dragon/Steel
    Possibly Braviary as Flying/Fighting
    Shelmet as Bug/Steel and then when it evolves it becomes Bug/Fighting
     
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    I think Dratini and Dragonair should be dragon/water, given how they are always found and depicted in water.
     
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    Neat type changes! I think you should make Luxray and Luxio Dark/Electric. They are black and learn bite and crunch.
     
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    Agreed, especially with Luxray..I always thought of him as a dark and was disappointed to find out he was just plain Electric.
     
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    Also I think Blastoise should be water/rock. Mismagius also looks like it could be ghost/psychic.
     
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    Idk about Blastoise, that would make him even weaker to grass attacks, and would make him too much like Carracosta. Although the Mismagius idea isn't bad.
     
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    Sorry for my inactivity. I'll have those concepts for the Solrock and Lunatone evolutions later.

    I fully support all the above type changes. However, I think....
    • Everything should be Bidoof type
    • Clefairy should be either pure Psychic or Normal/Psychic
    • Heatmor should be Fire/Ground
    • Bouffalant should be Normal/Ground or Normal/Fighting
    • Cryogonal should be Ice/Ghost. Idk, it looks ghosty.
    • Gothitelle and Gothorita should be Psychic/Dark. (I mean, they're freaking GOTH.)
    • Cofagrigus should be Ghost/Steel
    • Scraggy simply Fighting type, not Dark/Fighting
    • Conkeldurr should be Fighting/Rock. It's kind of HOLDING CONCRETE.
    • Blaziken should be Badass type, not weak to anything.
    • Rampardos should be Rock/Dark
    • Huntail should be Water/Dark and Gorebyss should be Water/Psychic. (In Shadows of Almia, their assists are these types.)
    • Wynaut should be Fire/Water type. Seriously. Wynaut?
    • Castform should be pure Flying
    • Torkoal should be Fire/Rock
    • The Poison type should be super effective to Water as well as Grass. It's too weak as is.
    • Starmie should be Water/Psychic oh wait it is i didnt know that
    • Violet is spelled IO not OI, just thought i'd throw that out there.
     
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    The clefairy idea, yes, that would make sense.
    Heatmor possibly, but I'd rather he stay the way he is.
    Good ideas for Bouffalant, Cryogonal, and the Goths.
    Not sure about Cofagrigus, I think more of Ghost/Rock, since coffins back then were made from stone, and not metal, and then cased in a thin gold paint.
    Scraggy should stay how he is, his dark type comes in handy when fighting psychic types.
    I think the line should be Timburr Fighting, Gurdurr Fighting/Steel (he is holding a steel gurder), and Conkeldurr Fighting/Rock or Steel (The concreete deal could work as either rock or steel)
    I still think Rampardos should be Rock/Steel like Bastiodon.
    The Huntail and Gorebyss idea is brilliant, I can't believe I never thought of that.
    Not sure about castform, it really isn't a much liked Pokémon in my opinion. Although since it is getting an evolution it might become more useful. But changing it's type isn't really needed.
    I've been thinking that for a long time, the shell looks like rock, so why isn;t he a Fire/Rock type.
    Poison should stay how it is because often with sickness and poisons in real they wash out easily with the use of water..and water doesn't usually get effected by toxins since it is the life-blood of all beings. However I think Poison should be more effective on Fighting types, which are often human-based and when we get sick our strength to fight goes down, and maybe even a little more effective on psychics, the mind isn't s strong when you're ill.
     
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    I really don't see how Yanmega is Dragon/Bug. Sure, it's a dragonfly, but that's just a name. It doesn't have any dragon-like properties.
    Farfetch'd - Fire/Fighting, increased base stats.
    I don't really see how Rhyperior/Rampardos would get a steel typing, and I don't see it at all for Haxorus.
    I agree with almost all of these, beside the bit about Poison type being super effective against water. I don't even know if we can change that. o:
    Agree with most of the above beside what I pointed out earlier.
    Nice ideas so far.
     
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    I'm not too sure if this is the right thread but

    I would like to add, that from my past rom hacking experience, when hacking a GBA rom,
    I'm pretty sure the amount of Pokémon in the game, is based around the rom.
    So since all the gba games are 3rd gen the amount of Pokémon is only 386, and from the looks of it you're planing on adding 4th,
    5th gen Pokémon and Custom Pokémon, I'm not sure if you're aware that there is a limit . . .
     
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    Wrong thread. This should go in "LV Hack Game Ideas."
     
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    Yanmega has all the right properties of a dragon, for those of you who don't use one, I do, and I've worked it from start to finish. It's moveset is one of those things that makes it fit, it can use Dragon Claw and Dragon Rage, not to mention Twister and Dragonbreath, plus it can learn alot of other breath-like attacks, ones that it's previous form could not. And if you look at it's other features, the spikes on it's back and it's dark-scaley skin fits it in well with being part Dragon. Plus, if there's going to be a Dragonfly Pokémon I think it should atleast be part Dragon type. Farfectchd? A Fire/Fighting, don't you mean Flying/Fighting, because in no way is Farfetchd a fire type.

    Rhyperior needs to be because of the item Protector, which in it's description is made of metal, and I believe it needs a better typing. Rampardos should be one because both Sheildon and Bastiodon have the typing Rock/Steel, so why not it's fossil counterparts, because if you look at their skulls it has the same exact shine to it as the head armor for sheildon. Why not Haxorus, does parts of his body not look like gold plated metal armor? I think it does, not to mention he has blades coming out of his mouth...which I know could be like bone-tusks but are meant to be blade-like, and what is more like a blade than sharp steel.
     
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    We could try it, though I'm still not seeing it as a dragon.
    Yeah, I meant Flying/Fighting, sorry about that. Running on a few hours of sleep.
    It doesn't look metallic, though, and Rock/Steel isn't a much better typing. You're taking away its most powerful STAB move for Iron Tail (that was the strongest steel type move in Gen. 3, I believe).
    But just because something has a shine to it doesn't mean it's the same material. Bastiodon is built defensively, so having a steel typing on its shield-like face is understandable. Rampardos is based off pure offense, and doesn't really have anything on it that could be steel. There are many gems that shine, and even rock, if polished right, will shine.
    Those would be scales, not gold plated armor, and in addition, they're yellow-green. The blades are more than likely just differently-shaped spikes.
    It would be an enormous stretch to give these Pokémon these typings.
     
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    Well, I still think it deserves to be alot tougher on Typing than just Bug/Flying, Dragon would make it stronger against fire, flying, electric, and rock, while still being weak against Ice, and there aren't any Bug/Dragon types yet, so this being the first could work out very well.
    True, but Iron Tail is a steel move, you don't really have to remove the STAB effect just because the typing changies. Although I'm not big for stats, too many people complain about it being weaker in stats than Rhydon, so giving it the extra boost from rok to steel would cut it, also giving it the ability to learn even more moves.
    Well, if that applies, then the shine for Bastiodon shouldn't be Steel either, but it is, I think it gives Rampardos a disadvantage, and I see it as unfair for it to just simply be a Rock type.
    If I'm correct, which I beleive to be so about the details of dragons, their skin is compared to that of Metal, or stronger, yet, Metal has properties that scales do not, and seeing that it fits well with his look, the Dragon/Steel typing would make it better. Being just a Dragon type doesn't fit for such a Bold creature. And no, they aren't spikes, the desciption clearly states that they are Blade-shaped tusks, even it's name describes it. Axew: Axe + Askew, Fraxure: Fracture + Axe, Haxorus: Hack + Axe + Saurus. It is also called the Axe Jaw Pokémon, and axe's are ususally made of metal.
    Black: They are kind but can be relentless when defending territory. They challenge foes with tusks that can cut steel.
    White: Their sturdy tusks will stay sharp even if used to cut steel beams. These Pokémon are covered in hard armor.
    BW2: Its tusks are incredibly destructive. They can easily slice through a thick, sturdy steel column every time.

    Also I'd like to point out that I work on sprites, and do splices, which means I work with their coloring, and when using the color select tool to grab it's color, the details screen indicates that the color is in fact called gold, and not yellow-green. It espeically does not look any bit yellowish green if you check it's picture here: http://pokemondb.net/pokedex/haxorus

    A stretch, I highly doubt it, it would be a simple, easy, and effective way to ensure these Pokémon are improved to fit their nature better. Besides, others agree with me that these should be done.
     
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    But Iron Tail is no where near as powerful as Earthquake is. Making it a steel type wouldn't change its movepool. It'd give it worse coverage. I'm far from inexperienced with battling. I'm not just saying this stuff because I don't like the idea, I'm saying it because it would make some of these Pokémon a lot worse. Making it a steel type wouldn't cut it. It would make the Pokémon worse.
    I don't think you read what I said, though. Bastiodon has a shield for a face. It's not the same Pokémon nor would it be the same species as Rampardos. Bastiodon is a Steel type because it's a defensive Pokémon. Steel is better known for defense rather than offense. Making Rampardos Steel would do nothing to benefit it. You need to look at the stats of these Pokémon and their movepools before just changing around their types. It's not purely appearance based.
    It doesn't matter what they are, though. The scales aren't "gold armor." They're not gold at all. They're scales. If Nintendo intended for it to be Dragon/Steel, they would've made it so. You're looking at appearance only. Haxorus is an absolute monster as it is. It has access to Dragon Dance & Swords Dance, t has base 147 attack paired with 97 speed, and it already has pretty decent defenses. Giving it a steel type would make it overpowered. It nullifies all of its weaknesses beside fighting (I know Dragon isn't weak to fighting, but steel is). You need to take stuff like this into account. Some Pokémon aren't a certain type because it would make them too strong.

    Also:
    Rhyperior:
    Base 115 HP
    Base 140 Attack
    Base 130 Defense
    Great physical capabilities, right? It has access to Earthquake, which is its most powerful move out of generation four and five. Take away its Ground typing, and its two strongest STABs are Iron Tail & Rock Slide. Give it a part steel typing, and it becomes 4x weak to ground and fighting. It's pretty much a stronger Aggron with lower defense. Aggron is very rarely used because it's taken out almost immediately by a ground or fighting attack. You'd be doing Rhyperior nothing but harm by giving it a steel typing for the sake of its evolutionary item, which won't exist in this game.

    Same thing applies for Rampardos. Amazing offensive prowess, but it's extremely slow and has awful defensive stats. As with Rhyperior, you'd be crippling it.

    Haxorus is already strong enough. It's fairly difficult to take out in one hit as it stands now, but since this is third generation, it will make it even harder. You really can't see what I mean unless you (seriously) competitively battle. Giving it a steel type nullifies all but one of its weaknesses and thus creates an extremely overpowered Pokémon.

    Like I said, you can't take only appearance into account with stuff like this. It could seriously muck up the hack if we have things like this happening.
     
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    What does the difference between Earthquake and Iron Tail have to do with it, that wouldn't change anything in that area. Sorry, worse coverage? I think not, if you check stats for all steel types it gives them greater coverage, and makes them less vunerable to certain moves. I'm not inexperienced either, although I don't always rely on stats when training my Pokémon, I know how they work, and if you think giving these Pokémon these type changes then you are sorely mistaken on how that works. Yes, some stats would change, but not the crucial ones, the adding of steel type would give things a higher defensive stat, and the nattack stat of moves like Iron Tail would increase, not to mention the change in it's weaknesses. It doesn't matter if Bastiodon is more defensive, that's not the point, Steel typing doesn't just react to defenses, it also works well on offense as well. Rampardos is purely a Rock type, giving it a disadvantage to Bastiodon should it use a move like Metal Burst. The species of Rampardos where highly know for their defensive capabilities as well, in which they used their defensive properties for offense. Making it Rock/Steel type would give it a higher attack and defense stat, and make it an equal opponent to Bastiodon, how it always has been with Fossils.
    It is armor, nintendo said so, it clearly stats that he's covered in armor, which should be steel. Also, no Pokémon could be too strong because when you add something something sometimes can be taken away, it would fit to make it part steel type to add to it's defensive capoabilities, as I've been using one, and for a dragon it is too weak on defense. Yes, it would become weaker against Fighting, and Fire, not to mention Ground, but it would become stronger against Ice, which is a really big issue for dragons. I examine every detail of a Pokémon's designs and abilities before making critical decisions, and from what I've gathered, adding Steel to Haxorus wouldn't overpower it, but make it a tougher Pokémon to take down. If the description says it's wearing armor, and that it's tusks are like axes, then why not make it so, by adding steel, because if it had such armor then it wouldn't fall so easily against Pokémon that it shouldn't have trouble with.

    You must have my actions mistaken, I never said get rid of Ground, I said replace it's Rock Typing with Steel. It'd keep the ground type, and gain a higher defensive stat, making it less vunerable to certain moves, like grass types. I would never look to take Ground type away from him, that's one of the things that makes him as powerful as he is, but as a Rock type, he's weaker than Rhydon, some of the stats were lowered, and his ability was changed. Making him a Steel/Ground type would increase his capabiliies, change his weakneses up a bit, and mostly would finally make him tougher than his previous form.

    How would making Rampardos Rock/Steel cripple it? Please tell me how you got that ridiculous idea. If it has awful defenses, then adding steel would raise them, while also raising his attack stat as well. If I also recall, Rampardos isn't all that slow, it's actually quite quick, as it's meant to be, where as Bastiodon is extremely slow. Adding steel might slow it down a tad bit, but not enough to do any real harm to it. It would just make it a tougher contender.

    Sorry, I do competitive battling, and I offten use Haxorus for it's offensive capabiliies, but the problem is that it lacks defensive properties that most dragions do, and often it quickly overpower by moves that shouldn't have hardly any effect. Haxorus is at a major disadvantage when battling Pokémon with higher defenses, sense for him his defense stat is often quite low no matter what you do. It get's taken out almost as quickly as an Aggron would, and that's without going up against an Ice type. Adding Steel would make it able enough to stay in battle longer than previously, even though it would become weaker against Fire, Fighting, and Ground moves, it's defense would be greater to take on those who give it trouble that shouldn't. Ice types are also a big problem for dragons, and especially Haxorus, even more so than the other two dragons in it's generation, adding Steel would make it tougher against Ice, and give it an added bonus in offense. Haxorus is a good Pokémon, but he's not as strong as you claim him to be, and often is considered weak in the area of cempetitive battling.

    Like I said before, I don't just go on appearance, I mainly use those examples to get my point across to those looking for appearances, as for stats, I may not use them when I train, but I do study them so that I know exactly what I'm up against when I battle. I've looked at the stats of these that I've noted, and it would certainly improve their capabilities, and I see in no way it would harm them on a large scale.
    The only way it could muck up the hack is if someone programs the stats to be so, those you can edit youself I believe, can you not? I'm no hacker/programmer, but I'm pretty sure all the stats will have to be entered in manually for each Pokémon by the person doing the programming, therefore that person iterally give whatever stats they wanted to the Pokémon. My point is, that changing the typing around just slightly will not harm them, other than switching out some of their weaknesses for others.

    So take what I've said into consideration before you knock my ideas. Besides, if you were to try them how I said them in the game, and they didn't work out right, then thats what the testers are for, to judge on whether or not something is wrong with a game, and could easily be fixed if that is detemined to be an issue. Itnever hurts to try something first.
     
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    I'll edit a few more of these in later, if you're a moderator or admin feel free to edit my post with some type changes.
     
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    What happened to Yanmega? I thought we were good on makng it part Dragon instead of flying. I seriously think it needs to be given some extra power, it's already weak enough as it is being Bug/Flying. Plus I believe it should be able to learn the move Fly, seeing as its's description says it can carry an adult easily with it's six legs. We have way too mnay Bug/Flying types, but no Bug/Dragon types at all.

    And Farfeth'd was supposed to be Flying/Fighting according to Satix..he did say that he typed a mistake on that one. Seeing as Farfetchd is in no way a Fire type, and you can't get rid of it's flying type.
     
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    Like Ryan said, it doesn't look like a Dragon. Doesn't matter if it's a dragonfly or not. You wouldn't call a dragonfly a real living dragon.
     
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