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Questioning the metagame certain pokes are in

Discussion in 'Festival Plaza' started by Drag0nK1d, Nov 7, 2014.

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  1. Drag0nK1d

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    The metagame has really changed since the nerf to weather, knock off being boosted, and defog's mechanics. However, that hasn't changed the fact there are some pokes that just DO NOT deserve to be in the tiers they're in.

    My question is what Pokémon would be better off being removed from the metagame they're in?
    This does not include involvement from 'clauses'.
     
  2. Srinator

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    Huh, I am not so well versed with tiers outside of ou and ubers but tbh everything that is in ou is either because of usage stats or because it could not be handled in the lower tiers. For example sigi left nu to come in ru because it was just too op for nu, but later on went to bl3 because the sheer number of ghosts and dark mons in ru is overwhelming and it coudnnt shine as much.
    Any particular mon u want discuss about? Cause otherwise I don't see a point in a general overall discussion since the tiering comity of smogon is p good and they they do give logical reasons as to why a mon is in the tier it is in or why it got banned.
     
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    I'm looking more towards some of the most questionable decisions made by smogon (or any other simulator if u may), especially after the bare ban of Aegislash.
    I mean, least the meta isn't as bad as it could've been (case and point keeping swagplay).
    The tiering system is still pretty good; however that doesn't mean they haven't made any miscues, and that's wy I opened up that floodgate.

    All in theory-talk.
     
  4. BoB backwards

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    1. Aegislash shouldn't be an Uber. My Charizard one-shots it 95% of the time.
    2. Doublade is down in RU, even though he is essentially an easier to use version of Aegislash ( who is an Uber for some reason.)
    3. Avalugg is in PU. I'm pretty sure that's supposed to mean that it stinks. Avalugg is a very strong Pokémon with a lot of uses. He has insane HP, Attack, and Defense. His practically non-existent Speed actually helps him if you give him Curse and Gyro Ball. Recover and Leftovers turn him into even more of a tank. Every Ability he has can be useful for competitive battles. Sure, his Special Defense is crappy. But there's something called running away switching. You should try it sometime.
     
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    "Aegislash will be banned for mental games" Obviously the most useless reason to Ban a Pokémon. Competitive playing is a mental game almost all the time. Aegislash can be defeated easily. Example? Foul Play Mandibuzz.
     
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    In fact, mind games are pretty much the only acceptable way to win. If you use Pokémon with a lot of power, then you're a jerk because you're relying on "overpowered" Pokémon. If you use a tricky strategy, then you're relying on "cheap" techniques. Get a bit lucky, and their screaming "HAX!!!" Considering this, why did they ban Aegislash instead of making him mandatory? The answer: They are bad at predicting. Therefore, a Pokémon who's success relies solely on how well you can out predict your opponent is unstoppable. I've seen enough of Aegislash that I predict him without even thinking. In fact, I think that I might start a thread about countering certain "overpowered" Pokémon (if there isn't one already.)
     
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