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**SPOILERS** Why some megas may / may not be banned

Discussion in 'Festival Plaza' started by The Psycho Train, Oct 30, 2014.

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  1. The Psycho Train

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    There has been a lot of speculation recently about the new Megas, and a few in particular who could potentially be banned. I collected the top 3 I found, and I decided to do speculation of my own on the topic.


    First off, we have Mega Metagross. Mega Metagross is NO joke, seeing it's 80/145/150/105/110/110 Stat spread. This thing could probably rip holes in cities, and after an Agility, it's pretty much over. Now, I do think this Pokémon has potential to get banned from the OU tier, considering it's insane stat spread. This thing is extremely bulky, and hits like a truck, as Tough Claws is no laughing matter. The best way to get around Mega Metagross would probably to have a Strong Ghost or Fire type against it (Gengar, Charizard Y, etc.) as it is obvious that attacking from the physical side will do NOTHING. Except maybe Foul Play, but other than that, y'know. The only reason why I think Mega Metagross won't be banned is because Sableye. Sableye was Metagross' nightmare before, and he is now. Will-O-Wisp to disable it's attack stat immensely, and Taunt to stop it's Agilities. Maybe normal Sableye will see more use than Mega Sableye XD


    Up next, we have Mega Swampert. Once again, no laughing matter, except for a completely different reason. 100/150/110/95/110/70 is a highly above average stat spread, except for that speed, which is just BARELY unviable in Trick Room, in my opinion. However, in rain, this thing will have the equivelant of 140 Base Speed, which is a LOT. Even through some calcs, it appears that it is still faster than things with base 145, such as Mega Sceptile. However, it's not all good for Mega Steroids Swampert. The very thing that everyone fears of it is it's very own downfall, and that is that it's a Monster in rain. But honestly, only in rain. Sure, this thing is a monster on it's own, insane good bulk and that awesome 150 base attack, but thinking farther on this, fast grass types (Mega Sceptile I'm looking at you) can plague this guy immensely. Currently, Swampert is in the UU tier of Smogon, and Roserade dwells there as well, and Roserade plagues Swampert with it's impressive speed, for a grass type. I think Mega Swampert could be Solid OU, but I don't see it being banned, especially thanks to the weather nerf of X/Y.


    This is the big one. At a stat total of 95/145/130/120/95/120 we have the mighty Mega Salamence. Or Megamence, for short. This thing is a monster. A total monster. Let's begin with this thing, above all things, knowing Dragon Dance which is an incredibly good move. +1 Atk and +1 Speed. That, is insanely viable. However, there is one thing people seem to forget. Mega Pinsir and Mega Salamence share an ability, Aerialate, which turns Normal-Moves into Flying-Moves, plus a free recoil-less life orb boost on top of this. Mega Pinsir had 155 Base Attack, and Swords Dance. Even after these things, Pokémon such as Hipowdon and Skarmory still plagued it (Barely, though.) We are at a low here, considering Megamence has 145 Atk, not 155. However, the speed boost is VITAL to Megamence, and it will tear things up. The reason why people think Megamence will be banned, as well, is because of it's SUPER plus to Mega Pinsir: Bulk. This thing, has bulk. 95/130/95 Bulk is AMAZING. Mega pinsir couldn't take a many hits, it was frail. However, Megamence CAN take a hit, even a few effective ones. Ice Shard Mamoswine trembles in fear of the mighty beast. In all honesty, to sum it up, Megamence is the most viable of these three to be banned, but to take into consideration comparison to Mega Pinsir, he may be in the OU pit. However, if he remains in OU, he will be an S-Rank in the tier. Megamece could potentially be banned, I agree with that statement entirely. I like to think of him as an improved Mega Pinsir. Better typing and bulk, and I have to say that Dragon Dance > Swords Dance in this situation.




    THIS IS MY OPINION, I AM NOT SAYING YOU HAVE TO AGREE WITH ME, AT ALL. Feel free to comment your opinions below. Thank you.


    Peace from the Psycho Train
     
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  2. BadPandaPancham

    BadPandaPancham PKMN Breeder

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    A few things. When taking into account that Swift Swim doubles Speed, you don't double the base speed stat, as that's inaccurate. It reaches much higher then base 140 overall. It's also meant to be a great bulky attacker, as it really doesn't need speed. Rain Support only makes it better, though.

    I think Mega Slowbro should take the slot you put Swampert in. This thing is insane. Battle Armor keeps it from getting crit, and crits go though CM boosts. However, with Slowbro's amazing HP and defense stats, you could run bold 252+ def and then CM to raise SpDef and SpAtt. Scald to burn and cut down opponent's attack further and psyshock to hit special walls. Both are also stab coverage and they are great moves. It also gets Slack Off, so it literally is a living tank. Your options are Toxic and that's it, as you can't get lucky with a crit. It does great damage and is an insane set up sweeper or just a tank in general. Knock Off is one of the most common moves this gen, and since it can't knock off an item on Slowbro (mega stone) or get the 1.5x power boost against a base 180 defense Pokémon, it won't do anything. That threatens a lot of mons that rely on Knock Off for coverage. It has high potential for being banned.

    For Mega Mence, stuff like Skarmory don't do anything to Mega Mence. A standard set on normal mence even is Fire Blast, and with the special attack being raised in the mega again it only is better. Sub DD Roost Return is almost literally unstoppable and is very broken. Want to know how much it does to a Skarmory at +2? Around 47%. +3 is a 2HKO. Resisted. 145 is also not bad at all, so you definitely should not discount that, as Mence was normally running something along the lines of Scarf, so it already is much stronger then normal especially with the 1.5x and 1.3x boosted Return. It already is going to be banned, the council is just deciding on whether they should suspect test it or just quick ban it instantly.

    Also Mega Metagross. Literally haven't had any problems with it. The stats look a lot more menacing then they really are. Once things settle down, it's power might be realized, but as it is now it is no position to be banned. Agility is really a waste of a moveslot as Mega Metagross already has BPunch priority or could run an attack-raising stat move. It is very weak to a lot of common types (Fire, Ground, Dark, Ghost, etc) and is countered/checked by common OU pokes like Ferrothorn or Air Balloon Heatran. I can definitely say that it is no weak mon and it deserves nothing less then a high rank in the OU tier, but as it stands now I can say that it isn't anything banworthy.

    Thanks for taking the time to post this though, since a lot of people could learn a thing or two about competitive Pokémon :P
     
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  3. The Psycho Train

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    Thanks for your input. I'll probably make a part 2 now that you've said some of these things :)
     
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  4. Titus Angus

    Titus Angus School Kid

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    Pfft, assault vest metagross can blow metagross M out of the water. I predict metagross is a solid OU with 'Mence getting banned.

    The big question is will they allow genesect again even though it is top tier ubers? Maybe genesect will be back and we will see a rise in scarfers to counter all the fast threats sceptile M, beedrill M mega freaking swampert. What will people counter them with ???
     
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  5. Spammernoob

    Spammernoob A Spammer or a Noob?

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    Hey guys. Just dropping in. This is my second post, so excuse me if I do something stupid. :(


    So... MegaMence. I love it so much. Ferrothorn's Gyro Ball does ~40% though, and it's pretty easily revenge-killed. Mamoswine, M-Glalie, and even Scarf-Greninja. I think we might see the rise of Bird-spam if this thing doesn't get insta-banned.

    Also, Mega Metagross is such a threat. I has Grass Knot (Tough Claws boosted, btw) to 2HKO stuff like Mega Slowbro, and Hammer Arm to hit stuff like Ferrothorn and Air Balloon Heatran. The scary thing is you never know what it's running until you bait it or get nailed by a coverage move. That being said, Metagross has a horrible case of 4MSS, so usually gets walled by most bulky Steels. Stufff like Ferrothorn take nothing from its STABs and aren't 2HKO'd by EQ. This is why most Mega-gross are paired with Magnezone. Scarf Landorus-Therian also checks it pretty well, though Choice-locked EQ is pretty much set-up bait.

    Finally, Scarfers are pretty much inferior to Priority spam. Smogon-bird(Talonflame) CB Scizor, and Mamoswine are all really scary threats that beat the crazy-fast Megas. Calcs:
    Scizor:
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    252+ Atk Choice Band Technician Scizor Bullet Punch vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Sceptile: 255-300 (90.7 - 106.7%) -- 43.8% chance to OHKO
    252+ Atk Choice Band Technician Scizor Bullet Punch vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Beedrill: 325-384 (119.9 - 141.6%) -- guaranteed OHKO

    Mamoswine:
    [3D='mamoswine']
    252+ Atk Life Orb Mamoswine Ice Shard vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Beedrill: 188-224 (69.3 - 82.6%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

    Talonflame
    [3D='talonflame']
    252+ Atk Choice Band Talonflame Brave Bird vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Swampert: 217-256 (63.4 - 74.8%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
     
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