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The fate of Comic Book adaptations (Good Deadpool)

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  1. Sachi-Shimazu

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    Given the smash hit that was Deadpool, there has been a lot of talk about what will happen to movies and tv series that are adapted off of comic books, as well as the material that could be adapted. Deadpool's hard R rating, but also the faithfulness and effort that was actually put into making the movie well compared to previous mature adaptations like Dredd and Punisher. It's destroyed records on so many counts, and in a lot of people's opinions (including mine), quite deserving so.

    Now, what this has brought up discussion of is how adaptations will change from here.

    People are asking for more adaptations that have a hard R rating to adapt some of the darker storylines in comic books, but there is a problem if they do try to adapt some of these in my opinion, which I believe sends Hollywood into a very interesting dilemma.

    So, Deadpool's hard R rating let it pull no punches with it's storyline, violence or humour. However, it was still at heart a lighthearted comedy. There wasn't anything overly serious about the story that was presented, it was an origin story, just told in an unconventional way. However, there are calls by fans to make an adaptation of storylines like The Killing Joke, dark stories that have psychological element. Deadpool's success was attributed to its comedic marketing campaign that even people who weren't wait for the movie because they knew how Fox screwed up in Wolverine: Origins were hyped for the movie's unique sense of humour. Something like the Killing Joke, while an amazing storyline (I haven't read it myself, but it's considered one of the best), the audience would be quite niche, people who know of the original material.

    However, the ability to make comic book movies darker does make for some interesting opportunities. Some characters could have stand-alone movies that wouldn't have been possible in the current PG-13 (M) rated Comic adaptation market that is saturated right now. Darker characters could have their stories told in a way that wouldn't have done them justice. However, I feel another interesting issue of this topic comes from the tv series that people point to about how they tell darker, more psychological stories like Gotham, Daredevil and Jessica Jones. I feel like the reaso that they work in tv format is because it can slowly dip people into a more and more psychological world, while something like a movie, you need a true master director to pull off a truly psychological movie like Fight Club or Sixth Sense (I apologize, I haven't seen either, but I'm pretty sure they are), and they don't create something like Lucy or Birdman (Personal opinion, tried but failed).

    So, what do you guys think on the topic. Do you think there is merit to comic book series moving toward some R rated adaptations, or do you think that Deadpool is the exception and turning to R rated adaptations will not yield as much reward as expected. I've appeared to have a negative stance, but I honestly think that in the right case, like the possibility of the next Wolverine being R, would be intriguing. I'm just cynical.
     
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  2. DIO

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    There's a lot I want to say on this topic, so I hope it all comes out coherently.

    There's definitely a lot that could be added to the respective cinematic universes for some R-rated material. Probably wouldn't work as the team-up films like the Avengers or Justice League though. Plus I really think the only (current) big names that could pull off R-rated movies well would be Batman and Wolverine, maybe Black Widow and Hulk. Plus some amoral/villainous movies like Suicide Squad and X-Force. I think they'd work best as stand-alone movies facing down some of their darkest villains/storylines. The Killing Joke, A Death in the Family/Under the Red Hood, Planet Hulk/World War Hulk, and Old Man Logan are just some of the storylines that could do well as R-rated movies. I would also include the Dark Knight Returns in that list, but Batman V Superman: Dawn of Justice is supposed to be influenced by that story and there's already 2 animated movies about it. However, I believe Deadpool's success convinced Fox to greenlight Wolverine 3 as an R-rated movie based on Old Man Logan.

    I think the biggest difficulty with the R-rated movies is that, though it stays "truer" to certain characters to have the higher rating (like Deadpool or even Wolverine), fans of characters like Batman and Wolverine are of all ages, and the higher rating theoretically keeps a portion of the fans from watching the movies (and denying the studio their money). There's also the risk of lesser-known characters getting R ratings and the movie just bombing. Here's some R-rated live-action movies based off either DC or Marvel characters or stories:
    • V for Vendetta [Offshoot of DC] (Postitive)
    • The Punisher [Marvel] (Generally negative)
    • Blade [Marvel] (Generally positive)
    • Watchmen [DC] (Polarized, but generally positive)
    • And of course, Deadpool [Marvel] (Positive)
    I look forward to potentially seeing more R-rated comic book movies in the future- but only if they're more V for Vendetta than The Punisher. Deadpool most likely is going to be the best of the bunch though, if only because the other movies would have to live up to its standard. But the success of Deadpool has made me tentatively excited about the possibility of a R rating Deathstroke movie.
     
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    Okay, so here is something to add about this topic. The much (un)anticipated movie Batman v Superman (I'll just go watch the trailer again, that'll give me the whole movie plot (sorry, bringing personal opinion into something)) has just been announced to have a special edition that is going to have an R rating for Home video release only.

    Now, this is what I worried about in the wake of Deadpool, R for the sake of R. Now, I would have no problem with movies in the Marvel and DC cinematic universe to have an R rating. The DCU is expressing itself as quite dark and honestly, if Suicide Squad isn't given an R rating, I actually won't be as hyped as I originally. The MCU's original audience who have watched from the start have grown up enough to be able to watch an R rating (it's 17 in America, right? I apologize but the Aussie rating system is different so forgive me if I'm wrong on that).

    What bothers me is that I feel like BvS DoJ is going to become R for the sake of R in the special edition release. What kind of additional content that is crucial to the cinematic universe do they have to add that would push up the rating to R that they couldn't just ramp up the rating and mean that the people watching at the cinemas who can't watch the R rating would completely miss out. Probably nothing if they decided to leave it out. LotR is justified for their extended editions leaving out crucial plot points for being FOUR HOURS LONG, but I want to compare it to another movie called Ghost. While I haven't watched it, my mum has, and she mentioned that after the famous pottery scene, there was originally meant to be a sex scene that would've pushed the rating up. However, they decided that the sex scene was eluded to enough in the prior scene and to keep the lower rating and to actually not ruin the point of the inuendos throughout that scene, so it wasn't that crucial to the story. This is what I worry about with BvS DoJ, that the additions won't be crucial whatsoever to the story and will just be R for the sake of R.

    Also, I realised if you squint really hard, BvS DoJ looks like BS Doge... so I'm just going to call it BS Doge.
     
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    Crucial to the story? Maybe not. Much more brutal fights? Almost certainly. If anything, I expect the movie to be similar to the Nolanverse Batman series, where it's very close to justifying an R rating buuut not quite there. If I remember correctly, The Dark Knight was made into a PG-13 movie by cutting 20 seconds. That's how close it was to being rated R. I doubt that the R rating wasn't crucial to the story, but wasn't just "for the sake of being R." Batman and the Joker (together or separately) can get darker than what a PG-13 movie may entail easily. I'd imagine a similar scenario here in BvS.

    I think it's much more likely that it was always meant to have an R-rated special edition. Filming's been done on Batman v Superman since December 2014. Everything else has been editing, special effects, marketing, etc. Plus Deadpool's been out for 2 weeks and I don't see how it's likely that the film's creators saw Deadpool and thought, "We can make BvS into an R-rated movie too!" They don't have the time to edit the movie again. In addition, the movie's inspiration, The Dark Knight Returns, is one of the darkest Batman stories for a reason. You definitely can make that story R-rated. Hell, even the animated movies they made for The Dark Knight Rises are really intense.

    As for Suicide Squad... it could go either way. One of the producers, Charles Rovem, was quoted saying "We really want to make these films tonally consistent so that, as I said because this is a shared universe... So our plan right now is to make all these films PG-13. In some cases, you know, right there on the edge of PG-13, but still PG-13." Buuut, there's a lot of merit to making Suicide Squad an R-rated movie. Filming did end last August... but I suppose we'll have to find out. At the very least, I'd expect it to be similar to The Dark Knight again, close to R but not quite.


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