X/Y Competitive

u should try and get a latias without a -spD nature... also, i suggest hp fire on magnezone so that u can OHKO ferrothorn

 

Just wanted to say that not even Modest Specs Magnezone is able to OHKO standard Ferrothorn 100% of the time from full with HP Fire so a defensive one definitely won't be able to...


I will give you props @[member="UltraHaxorus"] for using Banded Infernape. I run the exact same set myself and it it able to perform extremely well in OU and since it is technically a UU mon not many people prepare for it.

 

252+ SpA Choice Specs Magnezone Hidden Power Fire vs. 252 HP / 252 SpD Ferrothorn: 308-364 (87.5 - 103.4%) -- 25% chance to OHKO

 

And thats on a fully special defensive ferrothorn (which nobody runs) look at these calcs252+ SpA Choice Specs Magnezone Hidden Power Fire vs. 252 HP / 88 SpD Ferrothorn: 352-416 (100 - 118.1%) -- guaranteed OHKO

 

More people run Specially Defensive Ferro than you act like now that it no longer has to check Mega Kanga. Is able to stand up much better to Rotom-W, Keldeo, Gengar, and Greninja so more and more are becoming full Specially Defensive and more "standard". Full Sp Def investment also allows it to handle most Fairy types much more effectively so really there is VERY little reason to run heavy physical defense investment on Ferrothorn this Gen imo.

 

These two I have slight problems with. First of all, while Sturdy seems attractive as an ability, you should use Magnet Pull instead, since Magnezone's niche is to trap steels. I agree with TheHOLYmagikarp, you should get HP FIre in your arsenal, too. You might wanna try choice scarf/specs Magnezone with Volt Switch/Thunderbolt/Flash Cannon/HP Fire.

Also, Rash nature is bad. Use Timid or Modest on Latias instead. Psyshock over Psychic so you wont be walled by SDef behemoths, not to mention your Psychic-weak targets usually have lower def anyway. You also need a defogger/spinner, not to mention you have no SR setter which is much more needed than spikes. Replace Latias's Light Screen with Defog, and consider SR on Chesnaught.

LMAO who the hell cares if you run full Sdef investment or not on Ferro; Zone shits on you regardless since all you can do is leech seed and not much else while it OHKO's with HP Fire. You're better off running full Def investment to tank EQ's or mixed defenses depending on how much you hate Greninja.

 

I would suggest playing with said team a bit first, as this allows you to spot potential issues.

The EV spreads are relatively standard and I am not a huge fan of those. They work on sweepers, sure. But i'd distance myself from the generic 4/252/252 EV spreads, especially when it concerns bulky attackers and defensive pivots. With some work and calculations you can optimize them. Of course, in order to do this, you need to be aware of your team's weaknesses and faults. Proper EV spreads could fill up potential holes and could allow you to win battles you previously thought were unwinnable.

Good luck!

 

I am well aware that Ferro has no chance against Magnezone and I never said anything about it being able to handle it...I was simply saying that standard Ferro (which runs 168 Sp Def investment this Gen) isn't always OHKO'd by a Modest Specs Magnezone's HP Fire from full HP. Honestly the only way a Ferrothorn has a chance against a Magnezone is if it catches it on the switch with Bulldoze, lives a hit, then finishes it off with another Bulldoze or Knock Off. I have ran into more offensive sets like this as well even higher up on the ladder and have used it myself as well and it is pretty effective since most people don't expect it to attack or at least it's attacks to hurt much.

 

>Ferrothorn
>Bulldoze

lol

muh coverage

While bulldoze does some damage to Zone, carrying this move just to hit something that you cant switch out of and potentially 2HKO's/OHKOs you is a terrible choice. And even then, you only get a 5% chance of 2HKOing zone with it. Pfft.

4 Atk Ferrothorn Bulldoze vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Magnezone: 148-176 (43 - 51.1%) -- 5.1% chance to 2HKO

Yep, terrible.

 

By more offensive Ferrothorn sets I mean ones that actually DO invest in attack just to hit Pokémon that commonly switch into it. You can laugh but it doesn't mean that the set itself does not exist...as a matter of fact the offensive set for a Doubles battle is the first set posted up on Smogon for Ferrothorn last time I checked and can be pretty viable in Singles as well. Don't knock it till you try it.

I mean heck I ran a banded Ferro last Gen and would make people rage quit when a Gyro Ball would KO Latios from full on the switch lol

The beauty of Pokémon is the versatility. Any Pokémon can run multiple sets effectively to function in completely different ways. Sure there are plenty of cookie cutter sets that tons of battlers use but that doesn't mean they are the only viable or usable ones....


Now back to the actual team itself I just now realized that it is pretty Talonflame weak since all of your team consists of offensive Pokes. Magnezone is literally the only thing that wants to take a BB and even then it goes down to a Flare Blitz. Gyarados can Intimidate it but can't really switch in a lot since it is offensive and has no form of recovery. Azumarill can take any one hit with ease just because of its natural bulk but it can't out prioritize Talonflame and goes down to 2 BB's.

Really don't know what you could switch around on your team to halt it without largely altering it :/